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Posted by Auandag @ 23:20 on November 13, 2014  

Silver Versus Ebola: A Medical Revolution?

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Jeff Nielson for Sprott Money


For centuries, humanity has utilized “colloidal silver” to treat disease and infection, and to prevent disease and infection. Colloidal silver is (primarily) an internal medical treatment, created by immersing particles of silver in a colloidal solution.


Before the invention of antibacterial soap, colloidal silver was used as a disinfectant. It is still commonly used to kill bacteria…In ancient times silver was used in wound dressings and it was frequently used for the same purposes in America following the Civil War. It is also why churches use silver chalices in Communion to stop disease spreading through the congregation…


Even thousands of years ago, Ancient Greeks realized that the rich families who ate, drank, and stored food in silverware were much less likely to be ill than the commoners who ate from ceramics and used iron utensils. The rich people developed a slight blue tinge to their skin from years of silver ingestion, hence the term Blue Bloods was born…


With its popularity once again rising in our own societies (along with other herbal and natural tonics and remedies), not surprisingly we see “push-back” from the non-natural, chemical-pushing, pharmaceutical industry. While anti-microbial silver coatings and silver fabrics are spreading through our societies in a multitude of commercial applications – because of silver’s proven, superior anti-microbial properties – this is what we hear from the charlatans of mainstream medicine, in this case the Mayo Clinic:


Colloidal silver isn’t considered safe or effective for any of the health claims manufacturers make. Silver has no known purpose in the body.  [emphasis mine]


Note the devious nature of this smear. The Mayo Clinic itself undoubtedly uses silver-coated/silver-laced materials and/or equipment in its own facilities to utilize silver’s known properties to externally fight infection in general, and the “super-bugs” which are becoming an increasing health-care menace (in particular).


…at the 40th annual Association of Professionals for Infection Control conference in Florida earlier this month. NMI Health exhibited its suite of SilverCare Plus performance fabrics including scrub and lab coat material, patient gowns, linens, blankets, and cubicle curtains. Collectively these products account for over 90 percent of soft surfaces found in the patient environment.


However, if the Mayo Clinic charlatans (and the rest of the mainstream medicine frauds) truly wish to insist that colloidal silver “isn’t considered safe” and “has no known purpose in the body”; then why are catheters (a piece of medical equipment inserted into the body) now being coated with silver?


Furthermore, medical science fully understands exactly how and why silver is so effective in killing a wide range of microbial organisms, thus combating disease and infection:


Scientific studies have shown that pure silver quickly kills bacteria. It even kills the super-bacteria that evolve after conventional disinfecting agents kill the weak strains of bacteria. Silver acts as a catalyst and disables an enzyme that facilitates actions inside cells. It is not consumed in this process so it is available to keep working again and again. The enzyme silver destroys is required by anaerobic bacteria, viruses yeast, and molds. (Unfriendly bacteria tend to be anaerobic and friendly bacteria aerobic.) This is the action that destroys pathogens. It stops them from using the body’s own cells as vehicles for replication. Colloidal silver creates an environment that makes it impossible for pathogens to survive and multiply.


Since it is not designed to combat a specific pathogen but rather works against the very nature of their life cycles, it is an effective preventative agent against all illnesses caused by all pathogens including future mutations. There is no known disease-causing organism that can live in the presence of even minute traces of colloidal silver.  [emphasis mine]


Here we see the essence of the pharmaceutical industry’s hatred of silver-based medical applications, in general, and colloidal silver in particular. The antibiotics with which the pharmaceutical industry has saturated our societies are only effective against certain types of bacteria.


Worse, because they cause resistance to develop within these bacteria, it is commonly known that antibiotics are the creators of the new/dreaded “super-bugs” – requiring yet more new drugs to battle them. Meanwhile, not only is it impossible for silver to produce any “resistance” to its own properties in bacteria or other micro-organisms (and thus create more deadly mutations), it kills the Super Bugs against which the pharmaceutical industry is increasingly ineffective.


These ultra-greedy, drug-pushers want to design (and sell) a different chemical for each/every pathogen in existence – and preferably several. But silver is effective against all of them, permanently. Furthermore, because it is a relatively natural/organic treatment, these drug-manufacturers can be bypassed completely.


They can’t make any money from colloidal silver themselves. Worse still, it eats into their ill-gotten gains by replacing the use of their own (often toxic) chemicals. And so, yet again, Big Pharma condemns what it cannot (mis)appropriate for itself.


It is with this context in mind that we can consider the recent news (hushed-up by the mainstream media) that “nano silver” (i.e. colloidal silver) is now the officially recognized treatment for the Ebola virus in Sierra Leone, one of the African nations hit hardest by this killer-disease. This is despite efforts by the WHO to prevent Sierra Leone’s victims from getting access to colloidal silver.


The Hon. Alpha Kanu, Minister of Information, Republic of Sierra Leone (October 11th, 2014), in touting the impressive results of colloidal silver against Ebola:

“There is no illness that doesn’t have a cure. If you say that this illness does not get better then that’s a lie because 500 people have gotten better.”


Much has been written (in the Alternative Media) speculating on whether the African “Ebola epidemic” is truly as bad as depicted, or whether this has been exaggerated (by the mainstream media) in order to spread fear in our own populations. This skepticism has been further reinforced by the suspicious manner (to the point of absurdity) in which Ebola has ‘leaked’ (been allowed to leak?) into the United States.


However, irrespective of whether the “Ebola epidemic” is (even partially) a hoax, or whether this outbreak is every bit as serious and menacing as it has been depicted by the mainstream media; if colloidal silver is now proven/demonstrated as the cure/treatment for the Ebola virus, its use and popularity will spread – like the virus itself.


Beyond the present; if colloidal silver becomes known (by the people) as a safe/reliable means to combat the most-dreaded killer-disease in the world today, it will automatically become the first remedy people reach for in any future epidemic (or hoax).


As we become increasingly aware of the perils of the pharmaceutical industry’s “vaccines” – medical treatments which our laws do not require the pharmaceutical industry to thoroughly/properly test – the expression of “the cure being worse than the disease” is evolving from a mere colloquialism to a real, medical danger. For those amongst the world’s population of 7+ billion who refuse to be “lab rats” for the pharmaceutical industry’s semi-tested vaccines; colloidal silver represents nothing short of a potential “medical revolution”.


While Big Pharma trots-out new vaccines on a nearly monthly basis, each time insisting that this isn’t a treatment which we should use, but a treatment which we must use; now people will realize they do have a choice.


We can continue to be pin-cushions for the pharmaceutical industry, allowing them to inject us with vaccine after vaccine – until one of their semi-tested “cures” kills us. Or, we can rely upon a single (relatively inexpensive) remedy/treatment which (unlike their vaccines) has been used by humanity for centuries.


Even before the current Ebola outbreak; previous commentaries have strongly suggested that silver-based anti-microbial products would continue to sweep through our societies (and consumer shelves). Now, as humanity is warned of a potential “new plague” which menaces us; the motivation for this silver-based Medical Revolution just got much, much greater.


Jeff Nielson for Sprott Money



Posted by redneckokie1 @ 22:48 on November 13, 2014  

long time no see. Post more often.



HUI slaughter , will it ever end !

Posted by Gold_Titan1 @ 21:55 on November 13, 2014  

Hi guys/girls

It’s been a while since my last post, however check in every day. Just wonder when this gold manipulation and slaughter of  PM shares will finally end. Hope it’s soon before I will end up living in a tent, well not a goldtentoasis as that appears a luxury to what I will be able to afford  :).

On serious note I hope the bottom is close, as otherwise Chinese will be able to buyout Australian producers ,

cents on  a dollar. Australian  500k oz gold  producer ASX,NST  currently $1.0, silver/gold  producer  ASX.PRU  $0.28. No good selling at these levels, just add more at these bargain prices and hope they don’t bust. Have silver bullion but that’s disappointing as well. Should have bought  ALIBABA by the looks of it-can’t win them all .

US market wobbly even according to  I think it was ANZ bank analyst . with US  market valuations at  PE 28,with Au at approx 14.

I have noticed over a few days that $AU drops by as much as 1.5% during Australian trading  time and recovers during US trading times.

Does that mean that US investor are divesting from Australian market, is it due to FACTA legislation, complicating the tax issue.I really don’t know but would appear to be the case .JMHO.

BTW just in case  some have missed or are unaware of the FACTA legislation here is the link:


Good luck with your elections – the choices are …………………..

Not much.

Any ozzie’s still on the board – rise your  hand (voice), probably totally  disillusioned gold bugs or dead waiting for the gold bull market , or did not find you guys on new website.

Always,well mostly enjoy reading the posts.

Best wishes to all and will be back more regular.



ps Just read Obama joke , still   ROFL

coffee addicted preppers take note

Posted by treefrog @ 21:49 on November 13, 2014  

home depot has coffee (coffea arabica) plants in the houseplant section.  yesterday, i got eight small plants in one pot for $4.99.  presently they are in individual pots in the recovery room of the greenhouse, following separation surgery.  DEATH BEFORE DECAFF!


Posted by goldielocks @ 19:44 on November 13, 2014  

One thing most can agree with Armstrong about O.

Meanwhile, Russia’s long-range bombers will conduct regular patrol missions from the Arctic Ocean to the Caribbean and the Gulf of Mexico. Putin has been demonstrating Russia has the capability to invade Europe and America with aircraft. This is a military a show of muscle reflecting tensions with the West over Ukraine. It is increasingly beginning to look like Obama has laid the seeds for World War III and a confrontation with Russia. His ability to wipe out both the Constitution and all the efforts to create world peace since Nixon are amazing. He will clearly go down as perhaps the worst American President in all recorded history.

WANKA @ 17:49

Posted by silverngold @ 19:32 on November 13, 2014  

Very interesting indeed. The only question I have is how has this POS been able to stay alive and also retain his illegal presidency for so long?? He has single handedly brought America to its knees, if not to its grave. And yet that lying POS is allowed to keep going and going and going with his intentional destruction.

Everybody knows what picture I would post for this occasion so I won’t bother.   Silverngold


Posted by Auandag @ 18:22 on November 13, 2014  

Go Vlad! Back the Ruble and bust the Crimex!

Posted by Buygold @ 17:18 on November 13, 2014  

Putin “Prepares For Economic War”, Buys Whopping 55 Tonnes Of Gold In Q3

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Just as China is buying ‘cheap’ oil with both hands and feet, so Russia, according to the latest data from The World Gold Council (WGC) has been buying gold in huge size. Dwarfing the rest of the world’s buying in Q3, Russia added a stunning 55 tonnes to its reserves, as The Telegraph reports, Putin is taking advantage of lower gold prices to pack the vaults of Russia’s central bank with bullion as it prepares for the possibility of a long, drawn-out economic war with the West.

Russia bought more gold in Q3 then all other countries combined…


@Newtogold re Moggy re: Dems and Repubs Letters: Readers say why they didn’t vote

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 17:05 on November 13, 2014  

Local paper here showed a big story with graphs and figures how a CLIMBING percentage of voters stopped voting since 1975. I was one until ’92, I came out to vote for 3rd party Ross Perot. The other two parties did noting to keep the USA private neutral and prosperous. Ross KNEW there would be a sucking sound of jobs leaving to other places.

A recent letter writer asks people who didn’t vote to give a good reason why [“Voting is a right earned by sacrifice,” Nov. 7.

I haven’t participated in a national election since I voted for Ronald Reagan in 1984. He believed in abolishing nuclear weapons, abolishing communism, and abolishing communism’s great protégé, big government.

For whom would I vote today? The Republicans are the party of predatory corporations, low wages, profiteers, and exploiters who’d outsource everyone’s job overseas before dropping bombs on countries that never attacked us.

The Democrats are the party of parasitic government, high taxes, goldbricks, and leeches who’d give everyone’s job to immigrants here illegally before dropping bombs on countries that never attacked us. We have a moral obligation to abstain from this sham.

Voting is meaningless when the system itself is the problem. Would I consider voting in the future? Yes, if the leaders of China, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan or half a dozen other countries became eligible to run for office in America.

They, after all, have undertaken policies that have greatly increased their countries’ middle class, standard of living, literacy, health care, life expectancy, and commitment to science and technology. And while they believe in a strong military defense, they have not bombed or invaded anyone.

Paul Manton, Levittown

Unfortunately the writer does not know that the other countries got all the good things they got, thanks to the Fed Res and global big business control freaks. China et all did not wake up one morning and decide to be the worlds vendor. They were chosen.


Hey, that’s today!!

Posted by silverngold @ 17:03 on November 13, 2014  


ebola false flag

Is an Ebola false flag event be about to unfold?

FEMA’s own website says “yes” – but they are calling it a “training exercise”  -unless they should  decide to create another fake emergency for the media to broadcast, in which case it will become another false flag event.


Federal agency orchestrated “drills”, also called “training exercises” in federal agency lingo, have been connected with every recent major American news event that has had anything to do with possible endangerment to public safety.

What’s really motivating and driving the actions of the DHS, FEMA, FBI, CIA, and a host of other agencies who claim to be working for our public safety?

Who is the SIFMA?

The Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association (SIFMA) recently published this recap of the event sequence of a training exercise apparently designed to prepare federal agencies for response in case of the development of an Ebola pandemic.  According to this document, the program is currently scheduled to begin taking place in the next few days.


Did you get that title, Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association? According to SIFMA’s website, the group “represents hundreds of securities firms, banks, and asset managers.”  That sounds reasonable – an investment information group.


What could a professional group which manages investments and securities have to do with FEMA emergency pandemic exercises?  When you donate a dollar to help find a cure for Ebola, where is your dollar going?


I don’t have any answers, but I do know that there appears to be a connection.  I’m just asking some questions.
This page detailing the planned Ebola pandemic training drill,


appears on the SIFMA website.  One of the contacts on this FEMA document is a man named Karl Schimmick, a CEO of the SIFMA.


An overview of the pandemic training exercise and schedule is also found there. http://www.sifma.org/services/bcp/fema-pandemic-exercise-series/.

 DHS training drills and major news event history in the United States

Numerous federally conducted “drills” presented in recent years to the public as actual events have turned out to be full scale fakedemergencies.  The public is led to believe in the reality of these events via manipulated media presentations.  “False flag” events have historically been popular methods by which governments have deceptively achieved specific political objectives.

The history of American false flag events

False flag events are politically motivated. In the most extreme cases, a false flag event is used to justify war.  The creation of fabricated news events in the pursuit of political objectives is nothing new. The United States has for nearly two centuries staged false flag events as a pretense to war.  An informative summary of the American history false flags can be found on 911review.com.

The Boston Marathon “Bombing”

The so-called Boston marathon bombing didn’t go down as it was presented by mainstream media reports.  Interestingly, the DHS admits that the entire event was planned as a training exercise months before the alleged bombing took place.  “Operation Urban Shield” was planned many months before the Boston Marathon.  Eyewitness accounts reported the presence of bomb sniffing dogs under the control of bomb squads along the marathon route on the morning of the event.  Yet nothing was uncovered. The line of distinction between the “training exercise” and the alleged bombing itself is blurry.  Evidence points strongly to the possibility that the bombing was an integral part of a “training exercise” funded by a $200,000 Homeland Security grant.


The “bombing” was then followed by a test of the willingness of the American people to endure martial law in exchange for a false sense of security.  Under the direction if the FBI, police SWAT teams performed unwarranted house to house searches on Boston residences in the pursuit of an alleged criminal.

The Sandy Hook “Shootings”

Significant evidence supports the position that this event also was pulled off by government insiders.  It’s quite possible that nobody at all died at Sandy Hook.  The alleged incident may have been trumped up for the purpose of creating public fervor for panic legislation which would outlaw “assault rifles”  Errors in the cover up are just too numerous to ignore. Sandy Hook, too may have been one huge deceptive government orchestrated scam.

The 911 “Terror Attacks”

Perhaps the largest hoax ever perpetrated upon the American people was the events which took place on September 11, 2001.


More than 3,000 people died on September 11, 2001, but it’s possible that the real terrorists are operating within, and as, our own federal agencies.  Informed readers are familiar with a growing mountain of scientifically backed physical evidence, as well as testimonial evidence from high offices, that the lives of more than 3,000 people were sacrificed by Washington insiders as pretence to wage war on Iraq.

Could an Ebola false flag event be coming?

Check out the links above from FEMA and the SIFMA and draw your own conclusions. The drill might be turned into a false flag event, or perhaps it won’t.  The facts remain that the drill is scheduled to take place, and that many previous drills have been turned into dramatic faked newsworthy events.


If American people were to become proactive in exposing the deceptive actions of our supposed “security” agencies, false flag events and their consequences could be more easily prevented. Innocent lives would be spared in proportion as Americans learn to replace their trust in mainstream news sources with real grass roots information.


Be prepared and don’t be surprised if a supposed Ebola pandemic in the northeast is announced in conjunction with FEMA’s training exercises in the next couple of days, or in coming weeks.

It might happen, or it might not happen. The truth is powerful.  For open minded readers, here are a few more links to contemplate.  If you’re serious about discovering the truth, you’ll be busy for a while.












Moggy re: Dems and Repubs

Posted by newtogold @ 16:44 on November 13, 2014  

Two different sides of the “same” coin.


Posted by Moggy @ 16:02 on November 13, 2014  

It may have been the democrats that passed Ocare but it was the House republicans that gave their permission to fund it.  Both parties should be driven out of office.


Posted by Mr.Copper @ 16:01 on November 13, 2014  

Note the three higher highs, and the two lower lows. If this thing proceeds, the next low is going to be real low.


Also. Keep in mind this crashing crude oil and diesel diving into a bottomless pit? At first, most may gleefully think this is a good thing, lower gasoline etc, but it may be the start of a massive deflationary situation like 1929, and the obnoxiously stupid Fed Res has to devalue their dollar by 70% again like in 1934 to get prices back up so people can profit and stay in business.

Is the global economy coming out of the eye of the storm soon? And we hit THE SECOND EYEWALL!!??


3:45–gold up $2–jnug down 8%–on heavy vol=27.6 mill v.s. 8.5 mill avg.

Posted by Richard640 @ 15:58 on November 13, 2014  

down another 15%-20% in the a.m. will be a trade for a bounce or better IF gold futs not down much

who are the braves bulls who come in and buy this weakness as they have been doing for a long time?

Obamacare was passed thanks to ‘lack of transparency’ and ‘stupidity of the American voter,’ says ACA architect

Posted by silverngold @ 15:50 on November 13, 2014  

Natural News


(NaturalNews) The most definitive proof yet that the Affordable Care Act was nothing more than a ruse to enable the federal government to take over one-sixth of the U.S. economy — by lording over Americans’ healthcare — has just emerged in the form of frank admissions by the law’s primary architect, despite his and a top university’s efforts to keep it all a secret.

As reported by The Daily Signal, the architect — Prof. Jonathan Gruber — admitted that a “lack of transparency” helped the Obama Administration and congressional Democrats pass the onerous law that become known as Obamacare.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/047619_Obamacare_government_transparency_American_voters.html#ixzz3Iz3qCWf6


Posted by goldielocks @ 15:50 on November 13, 2014  

I’m not totally against vaccines because they have about rid industrial cities of things like polio, whooping cough, small pox,  measles mumps even tetanus for most but the adjuvants and some of the flu vaccines are in question. If they are  paying for a placebo that’s  another story. The first year is critical for many babies being seen on a regular basis because so many thing can be over looked by the parent that can be life threatening for the child if not caught quickly provided the medical person is attentive  to the signs. If they don’t go in then these things can go unchecked but not saying if that’s what they’re doing is right. There should just be another way.

Shock Admission: Babies Only Vaccinated to ‘Train Parents’

Posted by silverngold @ 15:24 on November 13, 2014  

WTF? Killing babies for no legitimate reason!! Please watch and help save a baby from the system.


Posted by goldielocks @ 15:15 on November 13, 2014  

If  you consume too much if anything that could go rancid your susceptible to almost any kind of cancer. Those in Iceland who ate fresh salmon frequently has less heart attacks this came pill forms Eskamos also eat fresh. Like Samb mentioned have to make sure it’s not rancid. Sardines if you like them and certain Tuna not all have it too. But now we have a problem with global warming ” radiation from reactors” exposing sea life. Another cancer risk.

Deadeye 9:52

Posted by goldielocks @ 14:53 on November 13, 2014  

Yeah they are the producers and have to find them as well as look for trouble if what they mine falls below production costs or too close. The explorers are at highest risk for obvious reasons. Generally how it goes is when the metals rally in earnest the producers who have not hedged too much and produce at lower costs will rise first them during the end of the cycle the explorers in sympathy moves or speculation will rise last. Kinda like the poor mans gold when the prices of the others have made significant gains.

Crude down 2.46 to 74.72

Posted by newtogold @ 14:32 on November 13, 2014  

How low can she go? Gold was up but now that the Dow has gone flat, the boyz took Pm s down too. Can a reverse in crude mean an upward trend for PMs?

The Dean of Wall St on gold-Paul Singer: Challenges of a long career in money management–He offers timeless money management wisdom: Paul Singer: Challenges of a long career in money management

Posted by Richard640 @ 14:26 on November 13, 2014  

With the often illogical power of market trends in mind, Paul Singer offers timeless money management wisdom:

“When markets are trending, they can appear unstoppable. Every sale in a rising market feels like a bad one, and every purchase in a rapidly falling market is punished by losses within minutes or hours. It is so much less painful to go along with the trend than to buck the trend – at least in the short or possibly medium term. Furthermore, in the modern world of super-leverage and group-think, valuations can go far beyond the estimates of every expert and practitioner. That is, of course, until they stop.”

Paul Singer and his team at Elliott have seen this movie before. In 1995 when stocks were trading at 22 times earnings, all time highs reached only in September 1929 and March 1972, both serious peaks, they logically thought the market trend would end. It didn’t, and stocks didn’t top out for another five years when in early 2000 they reached 40 times earnings.

Paul Singer: Expanse of mathematically illogical market trends

Today Paul Singer looks across the expanse of mathematically illogical market trends, many of them driven by artificial market manipulation that one assumes will explode like a child playing with gasoline around a fire.

“Today, one could be bullish on the long-term value of gold and be not only sitting on losses but also experiencing incoming ridicule and schadenfreude. In the same vein, based on the extraordinary monetary policy being practiced by the world’s central bankers, one could be completely convinced that medium- and long-term bonds are staggeringly overpriced, with nowhere to go but down in price (up in yield). But watching bonds persist in their long-term uptrend regardless of money printing, and watching gold prices languish with no understanding by investors that throughout history gold has always been considered the only real money in a world of monetary fakery, is concerning to say the least. Maybe history has stopped.”

In a recent letter to investors reviewed by ValueWalk, Paul Singer notes one of the main challenges of a long career in money management is making the correct call on a market that is trending in the opposite direction and waiting for that market to reverse. “The distance (in terms of time and cost) between an intelligent conclusion that prices are massively wrong in either direction, and the actual reversal of valuations toward the range of ‘reasonableness,’ can sometimes be too long to bear,” he notes.
See other Q3 letter highlights – Paul Singer Blasts “Krugmanization” of Economics, Paul Singer vows to hunt for Argentinian assets, George Soros And Kyle Bass Battle It Out With Paul Singer In London Court and Singer sees strength in commercial RE but weakness in residential

Such is the quandary as many quantitative investment managers eye unusual valuations in bonds, currencies and run the math on the forthcoming debt crisis that few seem to pay attention to other than certain hedge fund geeks. But when mathematical logic meets a strong market trend, often the trend wins in the short term.




Posted by Samb @ 13:21 on November 13, 2014  

From time to time one will find a so called scientific study that challenges any natural supplement. This is the way of Big Pharma and their payoff grants. If indeed Omega 3 caused a prostate problem then all of the Aleuts and Eskimo people would have quite an epidemic of prostate cancer,

omega 3………not what it use to be

Posted by overton @ 13:07 on November 13, 2014  



Posted by goldielocks @ 12:38 on November 13, 2014  

it’s something to look into but will pass on anything grapes. Now what I did with the writing don’t know phone jumpy today. Thought about it but didn’t know just how much good it will do. I remember a girl telling me how flax seed cured her psoriasis by taking both the seeds and oil a few teaspoons a day so that’s another one to look into for skin but with animals have to check everything to see if it’s toxic or not. Flax is another that could go rancid. Maybe given time I can figure out something. 

Hi Goldi

Posted by Samb @ 12:21 on November 13, 2014  

Stinging Nettles and Grape Seed extract are cheap and generic should do fine. However, Omega 3 is a different story as it goes rancid quite easily. On that be careful as to both the supplier and the formulation. Life Extension brand is formulated to prevent this problem and I’m sure there are other good brands as well.  Grapes are a bit toxic to dogs, but, I doubt that the seed extract is at all toxic. However, if in doubt leave, the grape seed extract out.

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