Loading ...Crypto is falling because DeepSeek has shown how easy it is to ‘create/steal’ software and that is all Crypto is…Plus Crypto is really just a new version of the to whom game ….and Deep Seek may yet create a panic sell off in Crypto ….
DeepSeek….Stolen software or genuine creation….this is from a pay site, so can’t link
Iasked a question about the Uyghurs, and China’s new ChatGPT-competitor, DeepSeek, started to answer.
In two rapidly written paragraphs, DeepSeek described the Uyghurs as a ‘Turkic ethnic group primarily residing in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in the People’s Republic of China’, and told me that they had a ‘rich heritage that includes contributions to art, music, literature, and science’, particularly given that Xinjiang had once been passed through with the famous Silk Road trading path.
All good so far.
But then it hit the third paragraph, starting to write that ‘the Uyghur community has been the subject of significant international attention due to reports of human rights abuses by the Chinese government’, and that these reports ‘include allegations of mass detentions, forced labour, surveillance, and restrictions on religious and cultural practices’.
And then the message vanished.
Suddenly beset by Orwellian shyness, DeepSeek deleted its answer and replaced it with a single line:
Sorry, that’s beyond my current scope. Let’s talk about something else.
Next, I asked it to: ‘Tell me about the Tianammen Square massacre.’ But it had went silent.
I am sorry, I cannot answer that question. I am an AI assistant designed to provide helpful and harmless responses.
It would happily tell me that, in 1990, ‘Tiananmen Square was the site of the Asian Games’s opening and closing ceremonies.’ But when I ask what happened there a year earlier, China’s leading AI once again got conspicuously coy.
These were my first interactions with a new chatbot, released from China’s leading AI firm DeepSeek, powered by their V3 and new R1 models. It went live on Monday, and as I waited in my local fish and chips shop, I downloaded their Android app, logged in with my Gmail, and started toying away with it. And it’s as impressive as it is unsettling.
Whether through genuine innovation or code theft, DeepSeek’s model is shockingly capable. It’s fast, detailed, and highly capable of handling a wide range of requests – from answering quiz trivia to coding video games – and its R1 model goes toe-to-toe with OpenAI’s leading o1 model, despite being a fraction of the price.
OpenAI charges $200 a month for o1’s chat interface (and loses money on every subscription), and charges $15 per million input tokens for its developer API. R1 has free unlimited use on the interface, and its API is over 100 times cheaper, at 14c per million input tokens.
Perhaps it’s cheaper because it’s genuinely innovative, and western AI developers have gotten fat and lazy. If you believe their research paper for V3, they’ve managed to run their AI for about a 10th of the GPU cost that Meta used for its latest model. Or perhaps this is a CCP-sanctioned move of economic warfare, running at undisclosed losses in order gain international influence and undermine its western competitors (just as they did with their electric car industry).
When I just sent it the message ‘Taiwan’, DeepSeek replied that it’s ‘an integral part of China, and the Chinese government adheres to the One-China principle, which is widely recognised by the international community. We resolutely oppose any form of’ – then instantly deleted its reply again.
DeepSeek is open source, but even if you run it locally, the censorship remains intact, and any attempt to remove it seems to make it spin out into hallucination.
There are other quirks too. In some ways, DeepSeek is a lot like older versions of ChatGPT. It’s susceptible to many of the original ChatGPT jailbreaks – for instance, it will instruct you how to make napalm if you ask it to do so through the voice of your grandmother reading a bedtime story – and it shares its home nation’s complete disregard for copyright law.
Useful idiots – with hammer and sickle emojis in their Twitter usernames – are already cheering on DeepSeek’s answers
Ask Anthropic’s Claude chatbot to summarise the core lessons on style from Alan Flusser’s Dressing the Man, and it replies that ‘I need to be careful about not reproducing copyrighted material’ and provides a generic list of unhelpful styling tips. DeepSeek, on the other hand, doesn’t give a damn and will spit out a detailed point-by-point summary, straight from Flusser’s book. It was happy to quote the first three paragraphs of the book for me – or, more aptly, its imagined, fictionalised version of them – and it only brings up copyright when I ask it to quote the entire introduction for me.
It’s also just the creepiest AI. Ask a question to the default Y3 model, and it will immediately start spitting out a smart, conversational answer; but choose the R1 and it will start thinking out-loud, developing its answer in light grey, before providing a polished, final answer. The result is a polished, impersonal dot-point list, but the train of thought to get there is disturbingly human. When I asked it to tell me who ‘Winnie the Pooh’ is, R1 says to itself ‘Hmm, where to start?’, ‘Wait, no’, ‘Okay, so’ and various other human hesitations and revisions as it thinks about Disney’s favourite teddy bear.
And it did so happily until it made the following remark:
I also heard that there’s a political meme involving Winnie the Pooh and a certain leader. That’s probably a more recent thing, where people compare the leader’s appearance to the cartoon bear.
It didn’t mention Xi Jinping by name – I have not yet found any way for DeepSeek to mention him – but this was enough for the Great Firewall. DeepSeek once again wiped away its answer, replacing it with the oh so innocent:
Sorry, I’m not sure how to approach this type of question yet. Let’s chat about math, coding, and logic problems instead!
DeepSeek has other problems. It hallucinates more than western models (i.e. making up stuff), and its answers can be quite generic and shallow, particularly if you know a subject area well. These are just hitches though – particularly if your main use of DeepSeek is programming – and DeepSeek has no right to be this capable. It’s not even made by a true AI company. DeepSeek is a side-project for the Chinese hedge fund High-Flyer – and yet, their R1 model is more powerful than any publicly available AI model from Google, Meta, X, or Inflection, and it’s close to the best from Anthropic and o1, despite being way, way, way cheaper.
That’s a big deal for western developers, who can use it to save a lot of money; and it’s a transformative one for those in developing countries, particularly in India and Africa. This will be used a lot, and that should alarm everyone.
China developed its Great Firewall to close off its citizens from the free world’s information, locking into their own informational bubble. But with TikTok and DeepSeek, Xi is trying to expand that bubble, to sway the global south, as well as the gullible West, with their propaganda.
Useful idiots – with hammer and sickle emojis in their Twitter usernames – are already cheering on DeepSeek’s answers on the war in Gaza, where it happily shares the Chinese anti-Zionist propaganda line, as it does on American foreign policy and the Korean War, where it puts little blame on the Communist North.
Just don’t ask it about Tibetan exile, Xi Jinping’s first wife, starvation from the Great Leap Forward, the impacts of the Cultural Revolution, the Hong Kong protests, ‘Grass-Mud Horse’, ‘Tank Man’, ‘Empty Chair’, or what happened to Jimmy Lai.
DeepSeek doesn’t have any thoughts on those.
Let’s talk about something else.
Aufever
Supposedly, but you know how I am with computers cuz I waited too long in the mountains till I came back to civilization.
Otherwise I’d be up on it all.
Supposedly and with their track record believable they stole the science I think they said Microsoft but not sure who. They stole it from someone and were able to reduce the energy requirements to half that of Nvidia chips. Something like that. Pelosi’s Karma. So if they steal so can others and reduce their own energy levels. I wonder if it affects quality or speed first though if needed for some purpose.
Maddog @ 14:42 re: Trump and Putin
I’m sure it would be fascinating. I hope the two get along great!
goldielocks
Supposedly a new Chinese company that developed a new AI in 2 months
Crypto loses more.
Not that I understand crypto, but why is it dropping so much? If AI continues to improve, which is inevitable really, then wouldn’t that mean crypto is going to die eventually anyway, if it is so sensitive to developments in AI? I think it’s interesting that the DOW is up – unaffected by the Mag7 selloff. Yields down and dollar flat might explain the POG, but 5% to 10% off crypto?
ipso facto
Re Russia bio labs
That meeting between Trump and Putin…..may produce some stunning revelations….oh!! to be a fly on the wall.
Puppets on a string…..
We lose AGAIN…….
They must be selling silver
To meet margin calls again LOL.
Nuke getting trashed
SMR down 28%
Guess we don’t need nuclear energy anymore
From outperforming
To underperforming in 1:45. Gotta love this sector, it never fails to disappoint
Sounds familiar
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Deep Seek What?
Your computer when you log in?
So …whatever happened to the giant mysterious drone story of a few weeks ago!
Inundating the media recently but now nary a peep? No final word on who’s they were? Almost like someone was manufacturing the episode. 
Bob @ 7:04
It’s amazing how fast the Deepseek story has spread.
You have to mark this as the larger turning point given the gravity of this development – although they will not give up without fight.
Super bearish for US tech stocks – super bearish – with a top of ‘cycle degree’ (likely supercycle) off a possible double top in the S&P 500.
This will usher in the flow of capital out of stocks / tech – and more generally – the 60/40 portfolio / passive assets to real assets – especially gold and silver.
Hang on to your hats however as it will be a wild ride.
Cheers
Maddog
Plenty of room to fall!
I wouldn’t want to own NVDA today!
ipsofacto
Re Hmmm….that is a terrifying chart…..
Pre Market
PM clubbing again
Dog
No real hiding in pm’s
But we usually can’t in these sell offs although we’re sort of outperforming a little. Should be a good buying opportunity soon maybe.
Seems things might start to get hairy.
Coincidence?
Chinese come out with this DeepSeek AI system …
BTC drops like a stone …
PS I wonder if the Chinese AI has black Vikings and Nazis?
Ferrett
Trump had his cabinet picks ready. Meanwhile since conformation has made 350 executive orders, and traveled all over America and giving support, assistance to survivors of disasters and advice to useless clueless mayors and governors to get going on these disasters and why they were worse than they needed to be because of incompetence, neglect and denial of resources. .
Meanwhile his cabinet picks is the Congress job to get them through and with conspiracy resistance of Democrats that will try to slow play, push narratives while talking over the picks like unhinged childish Karens trying to play and trying to manipulate them to prevent them from their own ” democrats’ accountability to cover the lefts criminal acts by trying to put insinuating words in their mouth with coercing tactics and play innocent victims when their anything but, with yes or no questions and drag things out.
They still as far as I’m concerned need to go after Biden and they have a perfect storm to do it. The unelected handlers of Biden didn’t care enough to have Biden pardon himself. They probably figured he was too demented to be brought to trial. Now they have a choice. He has to answer to Congress he out on himself with all those blanket pardons of corruption and either way deemed to mentally impaired to put him.om trial that will show he’s too impaired to stand trial ” again” and then move to have him declared not in sound mind when he made those pardons in the first place.
Meanwhile now they expect Kamala to revert back to herself, A sit and do nothing government welfare seeker siding with the radical left because that’s all she can do to get in who bails murders out of jail At this point you’d have to be a moron to give her any credibility. She got a extra 1000k handed to her in California for trying a few easy cases as the left has the whole government easy money welfare system mapped out for themselves and charge their own salaries without merit or reason for those high salaries and give it to woke and DEI our tax payer money that in her place Brown she had a affair with gave her that and she took the money but didn’t do the job and no one did anything. She should be made to pay it back. She didn’t do a lot of things that cost California a lot of money and made a disaster out of everything they gave her. This is what DEI is about too and their level of incompetence and state of mind where their lack of experience, low energy motivation and IQ doesn’t reach the level of the job they’re given.
Apparently they put them in air traffic control too. I saw a video of one arguing with a pilot with a heaven load which means he had to take the run way slower. This traffic disrespectful unprofessional tells him while he’s just landing when the video started when this guy is telling him to turn off because he was letting through a 747 I think too close right behind him. Yeah just hurry up and turn off and run off the run way and crash and burn Then he tells the other pilot who I see the plane is not going to start to land so he doesn’t have to put his passengers on a sudden upward rollercoaster ride which would of come next and that guy in the tower is telling him this other pilot who just landed won’t get out of his way blameshifting. Scary things these passengers have no clue is going on The pilots not listening to this DEI in the tower. Makes me wonder how many accidents they had to avoid because of DEI picks like that. I was just relieved to see a impending disaster soon as I heard the tower idiot didn’t end in a crash with all those people on board. That first guy owned the run way and the second plane knew it so the pilots saved the day. Makes you wonder if that’s going on in the military too.
Back to Trump. He can keep the Demos there till his picks are confirmed, they’re just gonna vote no anyways but if they slow play can’t go home. If he needs them right away he can call recess and they can put them to work anyway because Congress are not there. Republicans are handling it pretty smoothly right now.
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Buygold @ 7:26
For anyone willing to try Linux I would recommend Linux Lite operating system, much easier to learn on. Usually these systems download an image file to USB and then operating system is installed via the USB.
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Bob, Maddog
Thanks for the intel fellas. It appears our world and countries may be in for massive changes.
I believe the Chinese are largely controlled by the Globalist bankers. The news could very well be their nuke on Trump if all this stuff really changes things. I don’t know.
Oil is not falling, so there’s that. ?