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Re Production Versus Sales and Service

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 15:17 on April 27, 2025  

Building houses, and agriculture creating food is producing something of value. Producing roofing shingles is good too, but the person replacing them is a wealth absorbing service. Another example car sales.

If I buy a car from a neighbor for 1,000 and sell it to another neighbor for $2,000, I just took or absorbed, $1000 of wealth from the economy, and contributed nothing of value in return.

You could say I gave liquidity or money to the seller, but he bought the car from a foreign nation, putting their people to work producing things of wealth in their country.

The ideal situation would be a US Gov’t that acts like a labor union, to protect each and every US business from foreign completion, so they could make bigger profits, pay for medical insurance and pay higher wages, so the US Gov’t can get higher tax income which it has been losing since 1970.

To a $36, trillion national debt on our credit card and paying enormous interest on it, because we constantly had stupid or anti American or pro foreign leaders that think we are too wealthy and that want the USA has to be a hero and create more middle class people in China et all. Unfortunately the good guys finish last. Thats us.

The rest of the world has been feeding on the US consumer like we are a big dead carcass. I being in manufacturing, watched this whole mess unfold from the start. I think the highest tax rate was 90% back then.

Ipso

Posted by goldielocks @ 14:20 on April 27, 2025  

Yeah that’s not easy work. Like that movie ” A League of their Own,” if it was easy, everyone would do it. I talked to a American roofer once due to hazards like burns from the hot tar, falls,  only thinking as a nurse what they should have for their safety. He and a roofer friends sitting around thought I was hilarious. In today’s terms I would have them suited up like Mayas operating team in space suits with cool air coming in and tie downs. It gets hot up there too. Around here they try to start as early as laws permit for noise in morning hours and get out. It didn’t used to be that way for all but pretty much is now.

Mr.Copper and goldielocks

Posted by ipso facto @ 14:04 on April 27, 2025  

“Plus they are only providing a service, not producing things we need.”

Oh you mean unimportant stuff … like fixing your roof so it doesn’t leak, building a place for you to live, or putting food on your table.

Roofers and construction workers make decent money. It is far from minimum wage, at least around here.

goldielocks … Thanks for your input!

Mr Copper

Posted by goldielocks @ 13:54 on April 27, 2025  

Yep, they claim they’re doing it to keep housing cost down. To a great extent that’s total BS. They’re doing it out of selfish greed. For one replacing roofs is not building houses, nor is agriculture, nor is a lot of these contractors selling the houses if they are being built. That would mostly have to do with costs of supplies. Plus they till need American skilled workers to instruct in sturdy buildings to higher standards or knowledge in building codes to monitor and inspect. Then they can hire a supervisor under them who can translate.

I do disagree that they aren’t making things. Building, roofing, agriculture are making things. They’re making a roof over your head or food on the table. I do agree many could be underpaid. But what most people who never lived in a border state although after the lefties all towns are border states now is they use the tax payer to subsidize these companies who under pay these migrants. It comes from everywhere, rich getting richer everyone else getting poorer. Migrants don’t have to claim their husbands who are non citizens and aren’t to easily tracked when applying for welfare. So they can get married, have kids and get welfare and food stamps and in border states free health care. They can make more money between free health care, food and money from the state than a American couple. They may be getting less pay but are over compensated with free food, free healthcare, and cash for having kids. This and generational welfare has caused that safety net for what was meant for American women who were being underpaid for  decades even if more educated than male dominated jobs while these migrants  can stay home.

ipso facto @ 11:26 re Hispanic roofers in this area and contributing to our society

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 13:31 on April 27, 2025  

I strongly suspect the immigrants have lower living standards than third generation Americans, so they work a lot cheaper than Americans that have higher standards. Plus they are only providing a service, not producing things we need.

When I was a kid we made everything right here in the USA. So in a sense, if we want the immigrants to stay, we need to bring back factories that produce things we need, the birth of wealth is manufacturing, creating things of value. From those things everyone else lives off manufacturing, re sales service delivery etc.

Plus the heavy demand for labor will drive wages higher for everyone including the US gov’t, that needs revenue. So low paid workers probably don’t make enough pay to pay decent taxes. In other words immigrants need higher wages.

Screw the roofing company, they can all afford to pay more higher minimum wage, if they had to, like a tax, then Americans would also take those hard jobs that are supposed to pay more than the easy jobs.

Plus if they made more money, they could get married, and have kids and get the wives out of the workforce like it used to be. When I was a kid everybody got a decent minimum wage, whether it was McDonalds or a utility company or a factory.

Ipso

Posted by goldielocks @ 13:18 on April 27, 2025  

I agree, but I think the only way they can do it is change the laws and protocol to what is was when people from Europe first came here. One checked for health issues so they don’t bring it in the country. Two they’re here to work but not to take jobs from locals for less wages and speak English if needed where roofers probably don’t initially have to speak English if they’re all Hispanic or have a business but now a business that’s not threatening American business and  workers. They have to be picky. They also need to be actively learning  the language, the difference in laws and assimilate. The way they have it now, they either make it hard for certain sectors to get help or they let anybody in, criminals, gangs, spys, bums and welfare seekers.

I’ve seen how hard these migrants can work and some like roofers or similar fields some under paid or neglected. I saw one who was dropped off in 100 degree weather working to do a lot of landscaping work and sweating in the sun. No food or water with him After a lot of work he sat down in the shade. I grabbed a bottle of cold bottled water went over and knew he was taking refuge inside some bushes and asked him in Spanish if he wanted some cold water, it’s hot out here. Since it was so long since I spoke Spanish I couldn’t remember if cold or water came first but he got the message and came out of the bushes and grabbed the water.  It made me wonder though if he was one of those who owed cartel money for getting here. Why wouldn’t he at least carry water with him especially on a 100 plus degree day. If they could change laws they can get around cartel to get invited in to work have a work registry near the border that can bus them over and go from there. I think some of these places want to pay as least as possible is one reason and Mexico would have to not over charge for transport especially on a bus with multi people or take from the people doing the work. That and having somewhere to stay here for awhile for a job. If things work out they can go from there. But I don’t think they should be foremen or people in charge if hiring because they would by pass American workers no matter the race all together and be calling home wether there’s help or not and we’ll have a illegal scam going on.  A Mexican American told me she tried to work with south of the borders in agriculture and they gave her a hard time because she didn’t speak Spanish. I ask her, so they come to America and give you a hard time for speaking English? Ain’t that something.

 

Buygold @ 7:14

Posted by ipso facto @ 12:07 on April 27, 2025  

“Kicking Zelensky to the curb”

Can’t happen soon enough! Prolonging the war only causes more deaths, for nothing. (except money for some entities.)

My neighbor is having his house re-roofed

Posted by ipso facto @ 11:26 on April 27, 2025  

For years I don’t think I have seen anything but Hispanic roofers in this area. Might be an odd Anglo guy in there or the foreman but that’s about it. Farming and construction work have high levels of illegals working as well. As far as I can tell our homegrown X and Y generations have little taste for hard and dirty work. They would rather work and play with computers.

It may be an unpopular view but I think it would be better for the nation if we had some means of legalizing those illegals who have been here for a number of years, been crime free and have been working and not living off the dole. They have been contributing to our society and as a practical matter it would do no one good to send them back.

When this program has been introduced then have a hard date like … right now … that anyone else coming in illegally would be immediately deported.

JMO

Copied from another site, but it’s pure Silver-n-Gold….. Once you see it you can’t un-see it…..so speak up!

Posted by silverngold @ 10:57 on April 27, 2025  

Think about this for a moment.

Your mind, your soul—somehow, through the fog of propaganda, censorship, and cultural rot—cut clean through the lies. Decades of deception. A multi-trillion-dollar machine engineered to manipulate thought, rewrite history, and erase reality. An empire with infinite resources, infinite reach, and infinite audacity to tell you that up is down and wrong is right.

And yet… you saw through it.

That alone is extraordinary. But what’s even more powerful? You spoke. You didn’t just whisper the truth in private—you shouted it when it was dangerous to speak. You risked your livelihood, your reputation, your peace. You knew they’d come for you. You knew they’d smear you, cancel you, isolate you.

And still, you didn’t back down.

They tried to bury us. To silence us. To crush the spirit of anyone who refused to bow to the new gods of this age—comfort, conformity, and cowardice. But here we are. Not just surviving—thriving. Our numbers are growing every day. Our voices are getting louder. And the lies are cracking under the weight of truth.

This isn’t luck. This isn’t coincidence. This is the hand of Almighty God.

Because truth isn’t fragile. It doesn’t die in darkness—it rises. It outlasts tyrants, outshines the smear campaigns, and outlives every tool they deploy against it. The fact that we’re still here is proof of that. Proof that no matter how hard they try, they cannot kill what is eternal.

We live in an age where the powerful command obedience not by reason, but by ridicule. Speak against their narratives, and the gatekeepers descend: “You’re crazy.” “You’re hateful.” “You’re dangerous.” They sling every label they can muster, not to engage but to isolate, to shame, to cow the dissenters.

Just this week, psychologist Jordan Peterson appeared on Joe Rogan’s podcast. Rather than engage with the arguments of those Rogan has recently welcomed—many of whom have raised critical questions about the modern nation state of Israel and its powerful influence on culture, government, and foreign policy—Peterson chose a simpler route: smear and dismiss.

Rather than offer counterpoints or evidence, he branded this group as “psychopaths” for daring to think differently on a contentious subject. No rebuttal to their claims. No engagement with their arguments. Just an insistent push to paint them as crazy—another layer in the well-worn tactic of reducing legitimate criticism to mental illness, and refusing dialogue by decree.

This is nothing new. Speak against the reigning dogmas, and the credentialed gatekeepers descend. They hurl every label in the book, not to foster discussion but to shame and isolate those who raise uncomfortable questions. Why, you might ask, are they so eager to silence? Beneath all the noise and accusation, it’s not outrage or reason driving them—but fear. Fear that we are right, because we are.

“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.” — 1 Corinthians 3:19

What truly keeps them up at night is the possibility that the foundation beneath their feet is not rock, but shifting sand—and the tide is coming in. Jesus warned of this: “Everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.” (Matthew 7:26-27).

It’s easy to believe—especially in our modern era of polls and public consensus—that history is made by the majority. But reality shows us something else entirely: it’s almost always the passionate, principled minority who shift the world’s direction. Scripture overflows with examples: Gideon’s 300 against tens of thousands (Judges 7), David alone on the battlefield when Israel cowered (1 Samuel 17), the prophets like Jeremiah and Elijah standing nearly alone as their nations slid into idolatry and decay.

History repeats this same pattern outside the pages of Scripture. The American Revolution wasn’t fueled by a unanimous colonial population; most estimates suggest only about a third of the colonists genuinely supported independence, with many neutral and many loyal to the Crown. Yet it was the fire of that committed minority—their resolve in the face of opposition and ridicule—that birthed a new nation.

The early church, too, began as a small, powerless group of ordinary men and women. Yet through courage, conviction, and the willingness to speak truth no matter the cost, they turned the Roman Empire upside down. Jesus warned us: “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14) The narrow road is always walked by the few, not the many.

So often today, dissent is suppressed with an appeal to credentials. “You’re not qualified.” “You’re just a conspiracy theorist.” “Trust the experts.” But truth is not reserved for a priestly class. It isn’t the possession of those with the right degrees or pedigrees. We see this in Scripture: “When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and took note that these men had been with Jesus.” (Acts 4:13) Truth requires neither credentials nor permission. It is a primal scream from the soul—unfiltered, urgent, and unashamed. Anyone can speak it, and everyone must. Once you see it, you cannot unsee it. And once you voice it, you encourage others to do the same.

We were sold a sterile, synthetic dream: own nothing, say nothing, believe nothing real, and feel nothing that hasn’t been approved. Comfort was promised, and spiritual and social collapse delivered. Question the narrative? Immediately labeled as “dangerous.” In one important way, they’re right. We are dangerous—dangerous to lies, to illusions, to fragile systems built on deception rather than reality. “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:32) And free people cannot be easily managed or manipulated.

We press on, not because it’s easy, but because it’s worth it. The truth matters. As Paul wrote: “We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.” (2 Corinthians 4:8-9) You cannot intimidate someone who has died to himself, or cancel someone who doesn’t live for the world’s applause. As long as we root ourselves in something eternal, those who try to silence truth will always lose. They fight spiritual realities with political weapons—labels, shame, gatekeeping. “For the weapons of our warfare are not the weapons of the world. Instead, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.” (2 Corinthians 10:4)

We do not respond with bitterness or violence, but with courageous hope and unshakeable conviction. Our mandate is not popularity, but faithfulness—“For we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard.” (Acts 4:20)

So take heart. You don’t need permission to tell the truth. You don’t need the world’s seal of approval. Speak, stand, and let the truth ring out—unapologetic, unfiltered, uncancellable.

You are dangerous—to lies, to cowardice, to falsehood.

In this hour, that is exactly what the world needs.

Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab AI Inc
Christ is King

This is a good article about why the Brits need us to backstop the war so badly

Posted by Buygold @ 7:14 on April 27, 2025  

I hope we’re finally at the point where Trump says, “sorry, no can do” and kicks Zelensky to the curb. Enough is enough.

Eruope at the precipice

BY akrainer

Failure of London “peace” talks will precipitate a major credit event

 

Gold Train

Posted by Maya @ 2:31 on April 27, 2025  

Old Age, still working
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/878426/

 

UNBELIEVABLE! In 1958 there were 3 satellites orbiting the earth. Today there are 14,000 literally BLANKETING the earth.

Posted by silverngold @ 22:33 on April 26, 2025  

IMO this is setting up the world digital currency, surveillance and control system that will enslave humanity. It’s the “You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy” 2030 agenda and IMO one of the first obvious efforts being put into play is the 15 minute “smart cities” (prisons without walls)  being put in place everywhere around the world. And now they are pushing for a digital ID for everyone so every person can be tracked and controlled 24/7…. This is no joke and I hope you all are waking up to this agenda so we can stop it  in its tracks! Please watch this seconds long video and then pass it on! Thanks from Silverngold!

Captain H

Posted by goldielocks @ 14:49 on April 26, 2025  

It’s more prevalent in the young as coping mechanism from abuse and trauma especially very young who hasn’t got a grip on what’s going on as a survival mechanism.

However if you want to take a look at all those people who rushed to get their COVID jab while they lost their jobs anyways, locked in, not allowed to go anywhere without permission and saw mad science that did it to them as their savior that’s another story. The gullible thinking their doing the right thing and not realizing it mimicks stockholm.

Mr.Copper @ 21:28

Posted by Captain Hook @ 12:25 on April 26, 2025  

Yes more so for the weak minded … however it’s pervasive across the entire society to one degree or another.

It’s called ‘creep’.

And it makes you a creep unless you are very strong.

I would think this is why our little community here is so small.

Cheers

Careful what you ask for!

Posted by silverngold @ 11:43 on April 26, 2025  

I got a bottle of this and it worked; turned me into a SilvernGold WOMAN!

ABBA, if this doesn’t get you up and dancing you must be dead…Chiquitita. IMO so inspiring. kinda like PM’s exploding!

Posted by silverngold @ 22:36 on April 25, 2025  

Mr.Copper, not sure I agree that

Posted by ferrett @ 22:08 on April 25, 2025  

“develop positive feelings, loyalty, or even affection” could ever apply to democrats, Trump haters etc. I think they are incapable of such feelings. Hatred, delusional, controlling; yes. Anything remotely connected with empathy or compassion; no.

Let’s see where MAHA goes with the autism investigations.

Captain Hook @ 18:49 re suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 21:28 on April 25, 2025  

re part:

Stockholm Syndrome is a psychological phenomenon where hostages or victims develop positive feelings, loyalty, or even affection toward their captors or abusers—sometimes even defending them.

Comment:

It sounds like that’s what happened to the democrats, the left, and the Trump haters too.

Ipso

Posted by goldielocks @ 21:09 on April 25, 2025  

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I get what you mean its funny, a sort of punch to the judge. Its just I don’t think that judge is funny because that group is known to harm and kill innocent people.  They’re the same kind of traitors in the system that could railroad citizens or set these illegal criminals free.

Does she get the irony?

Posted by ferrett @ 19:22 on April 25, 2025  

“This slow drift (or overnight in the case of Google/Youtube) toward manipulation leads me to a disturbing conclusion:
We are all being thrust into a psychological dynamic similar to Stockholm Syndrome.”

says the woman posting on substack, and a video, and probably T-shirts, mugs, pillow cases etc. Why is she allowing herself to be manipulated? She’s admitting “we are all” so including herself here. Why is she assuming that you, too, are as gullible, fragile etc. as she is, as to either not realise what is going on, or willingly comply with the jailers’ demands?

As soon as I detect any signs of this behaviour on any social media I leave. The Tent is the last site standing!

 

goldielocks

Posted by ipso facto @ 18:58 on April 25, 2025  

I always think it’s funny when the left get embarrassed. I think it must be a kneejerk reaction.

If you don’t think it’s funny … that’s fine.

Are you suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?

Posted by Captain Hook @ 18:49 on April 25, 2025  

Loving Our Jailers: Big Tech’s Stockholm Syndrome Effect

From Freedom to Compliance: Are We Repeating Soviet History at the Hands of Big Tech?

Apr 25

READ IN APP

After being subjected for years to abusive censorship by YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and others, I have come to realize something deeply troubling:
We are beginning to normalize this behavior and collectively develop symptoms of Stockholm Syndrome.

Even so-called “free speech” platforms are implementing questionable practices, where favored individuals are propped up while others are quietly suppressed.
For example, on X (formerly Twitter), establishment accounts reach millions with ease, while once-organically popular voices are quietly buried—trapped inside algorithms of silence that erase their historical reach.

Substack, a platform once praised for neutrality, is also beginning to show cracks. Establishment figures have entered the platform boasting hundreds of thousands of “subscribers” overnight—despite these numbers being impossible without institutional sponsorship or artificial manipulation, thus violating the spirit (and arguably the rules) of the platform.

This slow drift (or overnight in the case of Google/Youtube) toward manipulation leads me to a disturbing conclusion:
We are all being thrust into a psychological dynamic similar to Stockholm Syndrome.


What is Stockholm Syndrome?

Stockholm Syndrome is a psychological phenomenon where hostages or victims develop positive feelings, loyalty, or even affection toward their captors or abusers—sometimes even defending them.

At first glance, it seems irrational.
But it is actually a coping mechanism for extreme stress and powerlessness.
When someone is trapped, harmed, and dependent on those controlling them, the mind will reframe the situation to survive. By bonding with the captor, the victim reduces the perceived threat, builds hope for mercy, and creates a sense of emotional safety—even if the safety is entirely false.

Key Characteristics of Stockholm Syndrome:

  • Emotional bonding with the abuser or captor
  • Rationalizing or defending the abuser’s actions
  • Distrust or fear of rescuers or outsiders offering real freedom
  • Deep dependence on the abuser for survival or legitimacy
  • Feeling gratitude for small acts of mercy (“they could have hurt me more, but didn’t”)

How Stockholm Syndrome Conforms to Our Situation — and Its Effects on Society

Today, many creators, journalists, and independent thinkers—having endured years of censorship, deplatforming, and economic punishment—find themselves emotionally and financially dependent on the very platforms that suppress them.

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They rationalize censorship:
It’s just business.
They have to protect their platform.”
Maybe if I adjust my message slightly, they’ll let me stay.
I don’t care. It’s not affecting me

They defend Big Tech even when their freedoms are clearly violated, and they show gratitude for small mercies—such as having a single post restored, or getting slight algorithmic boosts after months of suppression.

At the same time, they distrust true alternatives:
New platforms that promise genuine free speech are treated with skepticism or dismissed as “fringe,” even when they offer what these individuals claim to want.

This mass psychological shift has profound consequences for society:

  • Freedom of speech is eroded internally long before it’s taken externally.
  • Self-censorship becomes normalized, not just strategic.
  • The spirit of rebellion against injustice is weakened.
  • Corrupt institutions gain psychological control, not merely technical control.
  • Society shifts from seeking freedom to seeking permission.

Many consumers of media assume censorship isn’t their concern because they haven’t been personally targeted—yet. But every time a voice is silenced, the boundaries of free expression quietly shrink for everyone.

The illusion of safety is temporary; once the precedent is set, no one’s voice is truly secure. Ignoring the erosion of free speech today guarantees fewer rights for all tomorrow.

History has shown us this pattern before.
During the Soviet era, Pravda, the state-controlled newspaper, became the sole arbiter of “truth.” Citizens knew much of what was reported was propaganda, yet they publicly accepted and even parroted it—because survival demanded conformity. Speaking freely meant risking exile, imprisonment, or worse. Over time, even those who privately doubted the regime internalized the propaganda, blurring the lines between what was real and what was safe to believe.

Today, Big Tech monopolies are playing a similar role. They act not just as gatekeepers of information, but as engineers of thought and loyalty.
The tactics are different—algorithms instead of gulags—but the psychological outcome is alarmingly familiar.

In the end, Stockholm Syndrome in the digital age is not just an individual affliction—it is becoming a societal disease.
A disease that turns once-free people into obedient captives inside systems designed to control information, thought, and dissent.

If we don’t recognize this dynamic—and fight against it boldly—we risk losing not just freedom of speech, but the will to even want it.

Ipso

Posted by goldielocks @ 17:03 on April 25, 2025  

I didn’t think that judge was funny. I don’t even think he was political other than bias. I seen that in southern California. If the guy in this case what European or Chinese or any other I don’t think he’d be taking him in. Maybe a second cousin of his or something. At least that might have a certain amount of understanding if he was related to one of them, then being a enemy with in.

What I did think was funny due to the violent nature of the left was buygold’s quote by Tyson:

I’ll just say this, in the immortal words of Mike Tyson “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Now that was funny. If anything a deterrent.

sng, incorrect. Everyone needs to read that article.

Posted by ferrett @ 17:03 on April 25, 2025  

I’ve been following the BP issue for years, partly through Dr Malcolm Kendrick who has focussed on the futility and dangers of medicating it. But I hadn’t come across the zeta potential or blood sludging (or as current medicine would insist on calling it to make themselves look smart, pituita sanguinis).

EXPOSED: The Great Blood Pressure Scam. Anyone with BP issues needs to read this short article from A Midwestern Doctor

Posted by silverngold @ 13:52 on April 25, 2025  

The following information is based on a report originally published by A Midwestern Doctor. Key details have been streamlined and editorialized for clarity and impact. Read the original report here.

https://www.vigilantfox.com/p/exposed-the-great-blood-pressure

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