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China’s 40-Year Boom Is Over. What Comes Next?

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 21:30 on August 21, 2023  

My friend sent me this today. “Once again you called it long before the WSJ.”

full article:

For decades, China powered its economy by investing in factories, skyscrapers and roads. The model sparked an extraordinary period of growth that lifted China out of poverty and turned it into a global giant whose export prowess washed across the globe.

Now the model is broken.

What worked when China was playing catch-up makes less sense now that the country is drowning in debt and running out of things to build. Parts of China are saddled with under-used bridges and airports. Millions of apartments are unoccupied. Returns on investment have sharply declined.

Signs of trouble extend beyond China’s dismal economic data to distant provinces, including Yunnan in the southwest, which recently said it would spend millions of dollars to build a new Covid-19 quarantine facility, nearly the size of three football fields, despite China having ended its “zero-Covid” policy months ago, and long after the world moved on from the pandemic.

Other localities are doing the same. With private investment weak and exports flagging, officials say they have little choice but to keep borrowing and building to stimulate their economies.

Economists now believe China is entering an era of much slower growth, made worse by unfavorable demographics and a widening divide with the U.S. and its allies, which is jeopardizing foreign investment and trade. Rather than just a period of economic weakness, this could be the dimming of a long era.

“We’re witnessing a gearshift in what has been the most dramatic trajectory in economic history,” said Adam Tooze, a Columbia University history professor who specializes in economic crises.

What will the future look like? The International Monetary Fund puts China’s GDP growth at below 4% in the coming years, less than half of its tally for most of the past four decades. Capital Economics, a London-based research firm, figures China’s trend growth has slowed to 3% from 5% in 2019, and will fall to around 2% in 2030.

At those rates, China would fail to meet the objective set by President Xi Jinping in 2020 of doubling the economy’s size by 2035. That would make it harder for China to graduate from the ranks of middle-income emerging markets and could mean that China never overtakes the U.S. as the world’s largest economy, its longstanding ambition.

Many previous predictions of China’s economic undoing have missed the mark. China’s burgeoning electric-vehicle and renewable energy industries are reminders of its capacity to dominate markets. Tensions with the U.S. could galvanize China to accelerate innovations in technologies such as artificial intelligence and semiconductors, unlocking new avenues of growth. And Beijing still has levers to pull to stimulate growth if it chooses, such as by expanding fiscal spending.

Even so, economists widely believe that China has entered a more challenging period, in which previous methods of boosting growth yield diminishing returns.

Some of these strains were apparent before the pandemic. Beijing was able to keep growth ticking over by borrowing more and relying on a booming housing market, which in some years accounted for more than 25% of China’s gross domestic product.

The country’s initial success in containing Covid-19, and a surge in pandemic spending by U.S. consumers, further masked China’s economic troubles. The housing bubble has since popped, Western demand for Chinese products has ebbed and borrowing has reached unsustainable levels.

The outlook has darkened considerably in recent months. Manufacturing activity has contracted, exports have declined, and youth unemployment has reached record highs. One of the country’s largest surviving property developers, Country Garden Holdings, is on the cusp of a possible default as the overall economy slips into deflation.

My brief response:

Thanks Kev, Right, they all peaked and reversed in the 2008 financial meltdown. I also predicted long ago that China would be the next fake rivalry like we had the USSR cold war bull shit, not a shot was fired. Re this one part:

“For decades, China powered its economy by investing in factories, skyscrapers and roads. The model sparked an extraordinary period of growth that lifted China out of poverty and turned it into a global giant whose export prowess washed across the globe.”

China did not wake up one morning and say they would be the global vendor. There was a set or long term fixed exchange rate about 7 yuan to one dollar, allowed to float slightly to appear like a free market.

Plus our gov’t gave tax incentives to American businesses to rotate over there. China in 2008 is where the USA was in 1970, peaking out. From the start US businesses were salivating to sell into the billions of people there that would come later, with western investment. But the rotation came too late, a forced rotation because the USA is now broke. Things that have to happen, happen.

Posted by Maya @ 20:50 on August 21, 2023  

 

Is the Fed losing control of the bond market?

Posted by Buygold @ 20:07 on August 21, 2023  

or is this what they want. I personally think rates are going into the teens and stuff is still going to get more expensive – at least food and energy, Still think the dollar and rest of the western currencies are failing.

Time will tell. Like drb2, I’ve been wrong for 20+ years. That voice in my head is also whispering “not long now.”

I’ll tell no one, they don’t understand and don’t want to know anyway.

We’ll see, but only if we’re forced by the rest of the world. As far as the BRICS, they said they won’t be announcing any single backed currency tomorrow

Posted by Buygold @ 20:00 on August 21, 2023  

The US Will Be Forced To Embrace Gold… Or Become Isolated

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The US has been enthralled by three destructive concepts… all of which are set to come to an end when gold returns as the focal point of the BRICS nations’ monetary reform project

HL Shares getting clobbered

Posted by ipso facto @ 16:00 on August 21, 2023  

UPDATE 1-Hecla says production impacted at Idaho mine after fire incident

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-hecla-says-production-impacted-150053640.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9maW5hbmNlLnlhaG9vLmNvbS9xdW90ZS9ITD9wPUhMJi50c3JjPWZpbi1zcmNoJl9ndWNfY29uc2VudF9za2lwPTE2OTI2NDgwMDY&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANn1dUSyM5NScGuQtYn_MPp3ZmfENT08Ka7UpqN1gbO44qNk1dvDJ9cQbn8EBwzpOefFhwGd36-Oxs7oTCK6nXMhx6_Fl9uC4aBDXz1nNrbEmef16AGNiJbSJ7idnp8FN5MQRBDsYERI1vV9M7FaGaxNKANrnMki13EoefWEISFp&_guc_consent_skip=1692648019

@ Alex Valor RE: “I too, hope that you are wrong.””

Posted by drb2 @ 14:42 on August 21, 2023  

Hi Alex,

Way back in the early 1990’s, when I was first introduced to the scam of “money-created-out-of-thin-air-as-debt”, I thought to myself – “How could I have been so stupid !? This explains why the world is so screwed up!”

I was afraid that, if I knew about this, so would a whole lot of other people – it was sooo obviously wrong and evil.   I thought things would move quickly and I jumped in with both feet.

Now after 30+ years of getting my teeth knocked out (and my pocket picked!!), I (almost) believe that the enemy is invincible.

What gives me pause is a small voice inside my head saying that they are just waiting for me to give up…that the event will happen suddenly… and it will be almost impossible to get in once it begins.

“They”, of course, will already be positioned to benefit.

at I do see as real is that the world is in a condition that I have hoped I would not live to see.  Things are definitely “weird”.  Something is coming up.  When that will be is the question.

The action the last few days looks a lot like ‘shaking the tree” for the last few apples (me) to fall.

Just my 2 cents – certainly NOT investment advice – I have been wrong forever.

Another New High On The Ten Year Bond at 4.38%

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 13:34 on August 21, 2023  

The last time the rates were this high, 4.38%, was 10/22/22, and it had Gold down to $1,625. Here we are with the ten year at that same hight, and Gold is sitting on $1,922 today. Bottom line? The higher rates are not working. Or the higher rates ARE working to hold Gold DOWN to $1,922.

Gold:  https://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=GC&p=d

Note 10 year at this height (click on 1 year) in 10/17/22:

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5ETNX?p=^TNX&.tsrc=fin-srch

The idiots running things can’t win anymore.

Drb – I concur

Posted by Alex Valdor @ 13:06 on August 21, 2023  

and probably the only time in memory that I tell someone “I too , hope that you are wrong.”

SILVER

Posted by drb2 @ 11:13 on August 21, 2023  

Silver is starting to look like it is tired of being pushed around.

@ Deer 79 RE: “a new BRICS currency, potentially backed by Gold and/or silver, simply a “nothing burger?”

Posted by drb2 @ 11:10 on August 21, 2023  

That is the question I have also wondered since the BRICs first brought up the possibility.

One would have to think that by now the rest of the world would be damn sick of being pushed around by the Western Banking crowd.  On the other hand, every tin pot dictator also loves having their own fiat to bully those in their sandbox.

After 70+ years of total domination, it is hard for me to envision the PTB suffering a total defeat. I hate to say it, but my guess would be this subject will drag out for longer than I will be alive.

Sure hope I am wrong 😂

I find it curious

Posted by deer79 @ 10:35 on August 21, 2023  

That very little has been talked about as far as the BRICS meeting happening tomorrow………..

Is the previous talk of a new BRICS currency, potentially backed by Gold and/or silver, simply a “nothing burger.”

Or is this relentless boot on the neck of Gold and silver, a message being sent to the BRICS that we will stomp on the metals whenever and however we want????

Taking into account what we’ve been doing we can hardly complain about this

Posted by ipso facto @ 9:58 on August 21, 2023  

Now they’re saying it out loud

Posted by ipso facto @ 9:06 on August 21, 2023  

UK Population Collapse “Good For The Planet”, WEF Adviser Prof Sarah Harper Explains

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-population-collapse-good-planet-wef-adviser-prof-sarah-harper-explains

Maya

Posted by goldielocks @ 8:44 on August 21, 2023  

Media black out. Why would they do that lo

They want equity why don’t they let someone light a fire in their back yard not warm them,  cut their water off and aggressively close the roads.
What end of media also does is nothing much for the victims so they become forgotten. Sounds like they need a government recall too and a investigation of them all and a class action law suit.

That’s what happens even if not that bad. They left people in Kentucky  who lost everything in the flood. There was a lot of things they could of done to help them as well as community but wernt amounts the rich and famous,

I was surprise at doke of these towns who didn’t act fast enough to evacuate areas and put up detours with directions out so people working including essential workers that can’t just call off don’t dive into a flood and know where they can go.
Over 30 yrs ago there was some bad storms I was driving home at night and visibility was bad. I saw water up ahead didn’t know how deep it was but had to pick up my kids so kept going. I decided to turn off the road a bit to drive around it and was so dark no lights and rain and tired  I didn’t see the ditch I was turning into until I turned but too late, Some people I knew  came running over as I climbed out of the ditch my uniform didn’t get too muddy saw their worried faces and said, “ High folks I’m home! “ Anybody got a rope or something?” Luckily they did but didn’t let me live that one down for awhile.

Even in quakes they don’t think about the roads or safety. One OB doctor was killed crossing a intersection with power out and someone T Boned him and he was killed.
Red Cross didn’t do much back them.

 

 

Posted by ipso facto @ 8:37 on August 21, 2023  

Victoria Gold: Operational Update

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/victoria-gold-operational-100000463.html

Azimut Provides Update on its Exploration Activities

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/azimut-provides-exploration-activities-103000353.html

New Found Announces Completion of 3-D Seismic Survey

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/found-announces-completion-3-d-103000895.html

Perpetua Resources Awarded up to $15.5 Million in Department of Defense Funding to Demonstrate a Fully Domestic Antimony Trisulfide Supply Chain

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/perpetua-resources-awarded-15-5-110000896.html

Goliath Commences Drilling at New Gold-Copper Porphyry and High-Grade Gold Breccia Targets at Its Lucky Strike Property Near Terrace, British Columbia

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/goliath-commences-drilling-gold-copper-110800740.html

Santacruz Silver Reports Second Quarter Financial Results

https://ceo.ca/@newswire/santacruz-silver-reports-second-quarter-financial-results-209a1

Burin Gold Announces Name Change and Appointment of New Officers

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/burin-gold-announces-name-change-and-appointment-of

NV Gold Corporation Reports Positive Drill Results from Triple T Gold Project

https://ceo.ca/@accesswire/nv-gold-corporation-reports-positive-drill-results

Aurion-B2Gold JV Discovers New Zone of Gold Mineralization South of Helmi

https://ceo.ca/@newswire/aurion-b2gold-jv-discovers-new-zone-of-gold-mineralization

U.S. GOLDMINING COMMENCES DRILLING PROGRAM AT WHISTLER GOLD-COPPER PROJECT, ALASKA

https://ceo.ca/@newswire/us-goldmining-commences-drilling-program-at-whistler

Royal Gold Provides Further Update on Potential Acquisition of Royalties on the Serrote and Santa Rita Mines

https://ceo.ca/@businesswire/royal-gold-provides-further-update-on-potential-acquisition

JZR Gold Issues Bonus Shares in Connection with Loan Agreements

https://ceo.ca/@thenewswire/jzr-gold-issues-bonus-shares-in-connection-with-loan

Revival Gold Terminates Royalty Interest

https://ceo.ca/@globenewswire/revival-gold-terminates-royalty-interest

Golden Horse Minerals Private Placement Raises C$1.23M to Advance Southern Cross Exploration Strategy

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/golden-horse-minerals-private-placement-raises-c123m

Dundee Precious Metals Completes Investment Protection Agreement for the Loma Larga Project in Ecuador

https://ceo.ca/@globenewswire/dundee-precious-metals-completes-investment-protection

Buygold

Posted by goldielocks @ 8:06 on August 21, 2023  

I was looking to add energy stocks this morning but most seems to be near current target price , at or  surpassed them.
Makes me wonder how long any dollar decline will go on this month.
Price spread this morning but slow. I didn’t sell anything but a few shorts I didn’t sell ast week but will be buying they back later.
your right about what will be left and black rock. They got greedy and playing over reach and will kill their host. Things like this generally leads to war especially since these idiot equity climate change psychos will cause a resource problem and it won’t be a buying war.

Energy on the move

Posted by Buygold @ 7:02 on August 21, 2023  

Energy is what a failing dollar looks like in the opposite. Oil up 1%, back above $82. Gasoline up 1%. Nat Gas up over 3%.

Kitco showing the dollar flat, but the 10 year is up 5 bips, above 4.30%. Bitcoin down just below $26K. Where are all the calls for Bitcoin $100K, $250K and $1 M?

Silver outperforming surprisingly, up $.09, while gold drifts lower, down a couple bucks.

I’m not sure if any asset will be left standing when they finally complete the destruction of our economy in the time of “resets.”

Captain Hook – Blackrock

Posted by Buygold @ 6:51 on August 21, 2023  

They are so massive, so influential, and so wealthy, to sue them is a black hole of litigation that would break any potential lawyer. They own the judges, courts and are basically a gov’t. entity. This is what we’ve become as a nation. Money, however fake, is a tool they use against us and to their benefit. You know this. They manufacture it via a few strokes on a keyboard, buy our politicians, steal our votes, and ultimately rule our lives.

The only way silver and gold reach their true – or fake – value is if Blackrock and banks like them decide to play on our side and want them to move higher. Sad, but true.

Gold Train

Posted by Maya @ 0:35 on August 21, 2023  

Heading for Hogworts?
https://railpictures.net/photo/818587/

 

Maui Blackout

Posted by Maya @ 0:24 on August 21, 2023  

And so it begins… My Ultra-Blue state is showing it’s true colors. “Hawaii State Government Attempts Information Blackout On Maui Fire – Refuses Media Access ”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hawaii-state-government-attempts-information-blackout-maui-fire-refuses-media-access

Despite their saying Lahaina is 85% searched now, NO new updates on deaths found today.  The “1,000 missing” number is now suspect also, as one official said they were keeping the ‘missing’ number high on purpose so people won’t forget and keep looking…

The first casualty of (economic) war is information.  Brace for the Biden  dog & pony show to arrive next, to pat FEMA on the back for giving everyone who lost everything a $700 check.

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