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R640

Posted by Buygold @ 20:29 on April 18, 2017  

Norm of Murph’s is right. That dump should have got a lot more bang for the buck unless the scum used that opportunity to cover their short positions. Course, always debatable whether scum has to cover shorts at all.

The bizarre action in JNUG and GDXJ of course makes no sense when GDXJ funds have gone from $1 billion to $5 billion since Jan. 1, 2016

Why on earth would more money pouring into a sector make prices rise?

There’s nothing quite like what we witness on a daily basis with pm’s.

Geeze, even the RCMP is helping illegal “refugees” cross into Canada, with Trudeau’s blessings.

Posted by silverngold @ 19:13 on April 18, 2017  

Good observation in Murph’s mkt. wrap tonight

Posted by Richard640 @ 18:05 on April 18, 2017  

Morning Bill
A little light at the end of the tunnel?
18 mths ago, a $2.7B notional gold dump drove a $30-40 drop in gold; today’s $3B dump drove a $4 dump for 10 mins:
Wouldnt it be nice to see the crooks get one right back here!
Norm

 

tick, tock, tick, tock

Posted by treefrog @ 17:20 on April 18, 2017  

trump has a whole warehouse full of MOAB’s (19 of them).  they were made in 2003.  they have a fifteen year shelf – life.

tick,

tock,

tick…

http://rebrn.com/re/moabs-have-a-year-shelf-life-of-them-were-built-in-buckle-up-mot-3236678/

JNUG confusion

Posted by drb2 @ 16:45 on April 18, 2017  

I just spoke to Direxion concerning JNUG and wish I could report all we discussed, but I concluded the call about as confused as I began.

Some bits for what they’re worth:

  • Direxion was concerned that JNUG/NUGT ($1.5B) were getting too large for the PM universe ($__B).  a case of the tail wagging the dog
  • as of Thursday JNUG shares are fixed at 168 M; as of May 1st 4to1 split  = 48 M shares; share price adjusted accordingly
  • shares of DUST/JDST are not fixed – this should actually be a positive for JNUG long term
  • assuming PM shares trend upward over a long term JNUG/NUGT should also, but can diverge – For instance, a large holder of JNUG/NUGT could sell resulting in a short term drop.  Having a smaller fixed number of shares should actually lessen this possibility.

I hope I recorded the above accurately, but like I said my head was spinning.

PMs

Posted by goldielocks @ 16:43 on April 18, 2017  

Has to be the only sector where consistent buying of a stock ” other than phyzz”  doesn’t beat timing because the stock can go to zero value.  Less well established but even then can take years to recover. In all other sectors except maybe currency consistent buying over time even munis beats timing where people can get it wrong and left at the station or never buy back. Then timing can take up too much of your time. Lol

Look at the Bond moves tdy…real panic..yet the scum sell 3 billion notional Au short..and still the SM falls

Posted by Maddog @ 16:05 on April 18, 2017  

scum are up against it here big time.

BUY ON CLOSE NYSE ORDER IMBALANCE ON THE BUY SIDE

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 16:03 on April 18, 2017  

Its across the board, I’ve NEVER seen anything like this in my life time. Zero sell orders. You figure it out. It looks bullish to me. Lets not forget, the “situation” what ever it is ETFs or manipulation, we saw stocks go from $2 to $20 in 6 months TOO.

CDE BTG PVG KGC MUX SLW AEM ABX RIC AIG SA FSM BVN OR AU HL CLF FNV HMY

Screwy

Posted by Buygold @ 15:57 on April 18, 2017  

But this feels like a move (or lack thereof) that needs to be bought.

Eventually even manipulated pm’s will catch the USD downside JMHO

Silver gold, Richard640 et al

Posted by deer79 @ 15:50 on April 18, 2017  

And not a peep from the complicit CEO’s of the mining companies. They’re still getting huge compensation packages and knowingly shaft their shareholders.

Maddog–these are not my comments–seperately, I agree with your post.

Posted by Richard640 @ 15:14 on April 18, 2017  

R640

Posted by Maddog @ 15:12 on April 18, 2017  

I see that JNUG v differently….it will drive people out of the ETF’s run by Fall st, as u now have no idea what the hell u are investing in…ie since when did GDXJ think holding GDX was smart…yes there will be a near 100 % corelelation …but yr in GDXJ for the bigger bang.

Their idiocy has knocked 37 % off GPL since early March !!!!!!

Hopefully Direction have wrecked these ETF’s as they sure do our sector no favours at all. For once SilvernGold is dead right they are the Devils spawn.

and last but not least==”and want quick and dirty investments for day trading (like ETFs) you deserve to get your dick caught in the meat slicer.

Posted by Richard640 @ 15:12 on April 18, 2017  

Actually I believe the author either implies that the thing will bust first, or is weighing down the price of its underlying components second (due to excessive inertia in ETF position relative to what would be unfettered price movements in the underlying assets), or third: both.

Bottom line is that if you do not perfom diligent research and want quick and dirty investments for day trading (like ETFs) you deserve to get your dick caught in the meat slicer.  No sympathy for you.  Chances are TBTF uses the ETF to sit on the miners (disclosure: I’m full in actual junior miner stocks).

& this too= [lots of spelling errors]

Posted by Richard640 @ 14:40 on April 18, 2017  

It is amazing that SNAP, NFLX FB AMZN and many other companies have zero problem by getting overvalued becasue mutua fund companies and hedge fund own then and just when the long term hoders of junior miners start getting excited about money coming into the sector, ther are rules to keep that from happening.

We can lets all thos companies get noseblled valutions but its wring to see jr miners get that.

or for than t matter gold and silver, physical, themselves.

face it, the fix is in and we cannot fight city hall.

*************************************

These issues are 3x leveraged, very popular.  It’s nothing more than a table at a casino.

Too many players?  Get more dealers, decks, chairs, chips.  BFD.

Btw, Au and the miner shares are holding up well today after that $3b notional dump and the disappointment that we haven’t started ww3 (yes, it’s that sick, don’t shoot the mailman!).

silverandgold–got this from a ZH poster

Posted by Richard640 @ 14:37 on April 18, 2017  

Yep JNUG is the tail wagging this dog – More so at the moment.  Currently Direxion has suspended new share creation of JNUG but left JDST unlimited.  This is bullish for JNUG but means there’s a finite number of shares available to go Long GDXJ and and infinite number of shares available to Short it.  So you have a positive bias to the upside for JNUG and a negative bias to the downside for GDXJ.

It’s only day 2 of the share suspension but my guess is that the disparity between JNUG, JDST and GDXJ will grow to the point where you could see both JNUG & JDST up at the same time by several percent, even with GDXJ down.  This is a temporary condition and I’m extremely bullish on GDXJ and SIL for the long-term when the SHTF in markets.

If no market correction occurs between now and 2nd week of May after Le Penn loses the final round (as expected), then look to pick up GDXJ at a bargain during the week before the June 14th Fed rate hike meeting; after Gold’s been knocked down to low or sub $1200/oz again.

Back in 1999-2000 the figure $5 Billion was being bandied around as the total combined value of all precious metals mining stocks.

Posted by silverngold @ 14:10 on April 18, 2017  

If you have half a brain this article should clue you in as to who and what is responsible for the lack of PM share performance. If you are trading or investing in the ETF’s you are cutting your own throats and everybody else’s too. Now just ONE ETF is worth $5 Billion and the shares have gone virtually nowhere. Are you getting the picture?? Who owns the ETF’s?? The very banks and institutions who are suppressing the PM shares. WAKE UP PEOPLE!! You are being had!! Your own investments are being used by them to suppress the PM’s……..and this article is designed to drive you out of PM’s entirely by making you think the ETF’s actually own the underlying shares. THEY DON’T!! They only TRACK  the value of the underlying shares and in fact may be shorting the very same shares to suppress them. That means, in this case, they have a $5.4 billion slush fund to use to control every little move while they continue to use your investment against you. If you still cannot see it then I give up because you must be Einstein’s definition of insane, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Please wake up!!

Popular Gold Miner ETF To Change Dramatically

April 17, 2017

Earlier this week, ETF.com reported that the VanEck Vectors Junior Gold Miners ETF (GDXJ) may have become too big for its index, the MVIS Global Junior Gold Miners Index. The $5.4 billion exchange-traded fund owns giant positions in its underlying holdings, putting it at risk of violating certain Canadian and U.S. regulatory thresholds.

To avoid crossing those thresholds, the ETF bought up stocks of companies that aren’t in its index―creating a significant divergence between the ETF components and the index components. On Thursday, VanEck (which runs both the ETF and index) acknowledged the divergence by announcing it would broaden the scope of the index and include many more gold miner stocks in the portfolio at the next rebalance date.

Dramatic Transformation For GDXJ

According to a press release from the firm, starting on June 17, “companies ranking between 60% and 98% (currently: between 80% and 98%) of the full market capitalization [of the investable gold miner universe] qualify for inclusion in the MVIS Global Junior Gold Miners Index.”

Translated into market-capitalization terms, that means the market-cap range for new index components may expand from $75 million – $1.6 billion to $75 million – $2.9 billion, according to a Scotiabank report published on Thursday.

The changes to the index will result in a dramatic transformation of GDXJ’s portfolio. Scotiabank estimates that, after the changes, there could be 23 new additions to the index (four of which are already in the ETF). Those 23 new additions could represent 60.8% of the new index portfolio.
To fund the buying of the new index additions, the existing index components will likely face steep selling. The Scotiabank report says that GDXJ “could have to sell $2.6B across existing index constituents,” which represents “2.5% to 8% of the total shares outstanding of each existing index constituent.”

Given the large amount of selling anticipated in its current holdings, GDXJ dropped notably on Thursday even as gold prices climbed to a five-month high. The ETF fell by 3.5%, compared to a 1% gain for spot gold and a 0.1% loss for the larger VanEck Vectors Gold Miners ETF (GDX).

Growing Market Cap

The changes to GDXJ and its underlying index are a reflection of the constraints faced by a large, rapidly growing ETF that invests in a relatively small, niche area of the market. For the time being, the broadening of the index will help the ETF remain sufficiently diversified, even if new money continues to pour into the fund.

However, the downside of the changes is that GDXJ has moved up the scale in terms of market cap, reducing the exposure it offers to the smallest junior gold miners. If the fund continues to grow and again faces issues with concentrated positions, it may have to broaden the index once more.

As Scotiabank points out, the GDXJ universe was first expanded in December 2014, when the ETF faced similar problems. The broadening of the index at the time increased the ETF’s market-cap range from $95 million – $448 million to $95 million – $995 million.

Contact Sumit Roy at sroy@etf.com

Dollar Dropping 99.62, 10 Year Bond Rates Dropping 2.18%, Indices Dropping, Oil AU AG Higher since March

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 13:19 on April 18, 2017  

Trump effect on markets is looking like a blip on the radar screen.

fyi Re Best Performing Gold Miners After Spot Gold Bottom March 10th

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 13:08 on April 18, 2017  

My software here shows IN THE PAST ONE MONTH, AU miners with market caps between $1 billion and $4.7 billion have been the highest percent gainers. Showing gains between 13% and 22%.

AU TAHO SBGL EGO GFI RGLD IAG NGD HMY AUY KGC

Drb2, deer79

Posted by Buygold @ 12:54 on April 18, 2017  

One thing for sure today, the riggers are throwing everything they have at the pm’s and shares.

USD down 1% last two days, and pm’s have been pinned down.

@ deer79 regarding those “PM prognosticators”

Posted by drb2 @ 12:25 on April 18, 2017  

I often wonder whose side they are on. 

You and I are in the same camp, I think.

 

“Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws” – Mayer Amschel Rothschild

drb2

Posted by deer79 @ 11:54 on April 18, 2017  

Well said. I wouldn’t doubt it. Certain high profile PM prognosticators claim that it would be virtually impossible to manipulate and control all of these markets. I’m in the other camp FWIW.

@ deer79 RE: $3 billion notional value – Cretins are getting more and more desperate and they don’t care how it looks…..

Posted by drb2 @ 11:32 on April 18, 2017  

I like how someone decides to do these big dumps out of nowhere, and then shortly later some news hits the wire that causes a big PM spike.

Why it’s almost as if someone knew the news was coming and wanted to mute the excitement by protecting resistance levels. <sarc>

Something simmering

Posted by Buygold @ 11:12 on April 18, 2017  

below the surface?

Bizarre action. Juniors trying to firm up.

Magic hand of the scum is trying to plug holes?

Alex Valdor @ 10:28 re Wikileaks Warns

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 11:07 on April 18, 2017  

I think WikiLeaks is one big hoax. WikiLeaks is probably the CIA itself. My observations over a life time is, you can’t trust any free info you see or hear from the media, and nothing is the way it looks or seems.

Metalsguy

Posted by silverngold @ 11:00 on April 18, 2017  

Yeah, hardly an outdoor picture can be shown anymore that doesn’t show either chemtrails or cheltrail residue, like at the beginning of this very interesting Mike Maloney video on gold with Max and Tracy.

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