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Pennies through the ages

Posted by ferrett @ 5:17 on November 14, 2025  

Top left is the 1797 “Cartwheel” penny. Worth its weight in copper, 1 oz at the time. Now worth about 30 US cents, copper value. One penny = 1 oz copper. Called a cartwheel, ‘cos it was very heavy. “Pocket buster” might have been more appropriate. Top right is a mid-nineteenth century Victorian penny at 9gm, a third of an ounce, very worn because it too is pure copper. You can see how much thinner than the cartwheel it is. The next three are bronze pennies, also a third of an ounce, copper with a hint of tin to give hardness, so they aren’t so worn. Bottom left is the obverse of the 1967 penny, the last pre-decimal one. Bottom middle is a 1986 decimal bronze penny, worth 2.4 of the penny on its left ….. which it replaced in 1971.

Bottom right is a 1994 copper plated steel penny, hence the dullness and corrosion.

Inflation in nine coins. Well, four really. Cartwheel, Victorian to mid Elizabethan, bronze new P and steel new P.

15th February 1971. Biggest currency con ever imposed on the British. The penny, the “d” in LSD, Libra, solidi, denarii, Pound, shilling and pence, eliminated. Two millennia of worth reduced to a copper coated steel counter.

{edit} the denarius used to be silver (of course) until it became so clipped and diluted with copper that they just moved to a copper coin.

Maddog, yeah, that’s the point though.

Posted by ferrett @ 4:31 on November 14, 2025  

He’s absolutely spot on – but the markets can remain irrational longer (one day, in this case!!) than he could remain solvent.

I was short a gold miner a couple of decades ago. The pit wall had collapsed, and it was so obvious that they were insolvent, as they couldn’t meet their hedges. But the brokers called in the short before it got too expensive … all legal, read the small print etc. Still, infuriating.

UK Gilts. What an oxymoron. Nothing ‘gilt’ about them. ‘Guilty’, maybe, of all sorts of misconceptions.

PM selling etc

Posted by Maddog @ 4:18 on November 14, 2025  

Do we have a pre-emptive move in PM’s/mkts , before the US goes into Venezuela …Oil has been sat on, as have PM’s…maybe those moves triggered the sell off in the SM…..

wanna see some blatant CB intervention

Posted by Maddog @ 3:59 on November 14, 2025  

UK gilts opened well down/rates up today as the mkts start to panic about the cretins running the joint ( about time )….yet for some strange reason, they soon eased off, rates down …..here is a chart of the 5 yr….with the present government, nobody sane would be buying them.

gilts

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15290537/Markets-Reeves-Budget-income-tax-Labour-MPs-Starmer-thresholds.html

ferret

Posted by Maddog @ 3:55 on November 14, 2025  

Re Burry…..Tks…Sods law at it’s best/worst….His mistake if I can say that, as he is certainly a great analyst, is that he used options, which if yr not spot on on timing, wreck any long term trade…I gather his great Big Short call also suffered from time decay, so he never banked the billions he should have.

Someone here once said that PM Mining shares are like a perpetual call option, without any real time decay…..we may soon hopefully see that play out.

Pennies

Posted by Maya @ 3:36 on November 14, 2025  

Been a coin collector all my life but was very disappointed in the quality of the penny coinage after 1982 and stopped collecting them.  Gave my collection to nephew and urged him to finish out the modern penny series now that it’s going away.

The copper covered zinc is a poor choice of metals.  It is a biMetal battery.  Therefore it is self-deteriorating and rots easily with moisture and tiny bits of environmental acid.  New pennies left in soil for a year simply dissolve.  Only way to preserve them for collection is to catch them new & shiny and encapsulate in a dry, air tight container.

But I have many pounds of pre-1982 solid copper pennies stored in jars.

Gold Train

Posted by Maya @ 3:21 on November 14, 2025  

Do you know the way to San Jose?
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/889660/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/889659/

 

Tree frog

Posted by goldielocks @ 1:02 on November 14, 2025  

Btw although I hate to see those pennies go as it taught children how to save and a useful cover for more valuable things knowing thieves looking for bigger things will bypass them. For instance going to the ocean I removed my diamond earrings years back. I put them under some pennies I had in a cubby space in my car. I left them there. Days later my car was stolen. I got my car back but everything in it like camping gear water packets and mountain house type food bars for emergencies ect gone. They tore up the steering wheel to start the car.  But the pennies untouched and earrings still there. Also traveling you could burry smaller gold coins under the pennies.easily for emergencies especially these days if going to Europe.  Surprisingly theres a lot of pennies most don’t know are worth more than a penny even if not all copper.  If they checked eBay they would see that they may have had a bit of cash in those pennies they had put aside.  I don’t like to assume anything as you could be at least 50 percent wrong but likely over time they will become worth more when you can only buy them to get them. Plus I didn’t see they were canceled as redeemable just no longer minted. Plus you never know if you might need zinc.

It’s also good to know that Trump is looking around to stop any waistful spending.

Treefrog

Posted by goldielocks @ 0:07 on November 14, 2025  

Thanks, that is what I thought too that it might effect it while other just thinking about the pennies themselves but learned something by finding out myself how useful it is,  it’s relatively cheap compared to the vast industrial demand. It will have no real effect as it’s only a miniscule amount compared to other industries relentless needs.

goldi, re pennies

Posted by treefrog @ 23:20 on November 13, 2025  

with no more pennies being produced, the reduction in demand will likely put downward pressure on zinc prices, and thus on zinc miners.  how much?  good question

it’s an ill wind that blows no good…

Posted by treefrog @ 23:04 on November 13, 2025  

with less foodstamps in circulation than in the past, the stores have found themselves with overstocks of holiday food.  (less demand = less sales = merchants

cut prices.  economics 101.)

i found frozen young turkeys on sale for 49 cents a pound (!!!) at publix this afternoon.  time to fill the freezer.

http://lpoli.50webs.com/index_files/Salami%20turkey.pdf

Why Trump is suing BBC

Posted by goldielocks @ 21:48 on November 13, 2025  

Here’s one example on how they tried to set him up by splicing the video.

No mass pennies

Posted by goldielocks @ 20:03 on November 13, 2025  

In 1793 a penny could get you a biscuit, a candle, or a piece of candy. Now it cost up to 4 cents to make.  They are no longer going to make them. That makes me wonder where the suppliers will move to or if they will be able to. Like zinc mining?

https://thehornnews.com/end-of-an-era-us-mint-presses-its-final-penny/

Trump calls out BBC Deep state

Posted by goldielocks @ 19:33 on November 13, 2025  

Reeses report on digital ID

Posted by goldielocks @ 19:13 on November 13, 2025  

Sovereign countries better realize the UN is in on.this and from what I heard they leave their shoes at the door if you know what I mean. They need our money more than we need them. In fact what do we need them for and any money they do get seems to be used against us.

 

 

https://gregreese.substack.com/p/covid-lockdown-model-for-digital?utm_source=podcast-email&publication_id=706779&post_id=178741080&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_content=watch_now_button&r=poko7&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Maddog, the meltdown

Posted by ferrett @ 17:03 on November 13, 2025  

is because Burry closed out his shorts yesterday.

And because the government re-opened.

Maddog @ 14:22

Posted by ipso facto @ 15:41 on November 13, 2025  

Talk about volatility! It’s a manic-depressive market!

deer79

Posted by Maddog @ 14:48 on November 13, 2025  

WAve C down now….very poss….also only 3 waves up so far, which a B should have .

Any ideas why this melt down is happening in everything.

Posted by Maddog @ 14:22 on November 13, 2025  

Is this being triggered by Zelensky and Co cashing up, or is it the globalists trying to cause a mkt crash, to change the subject of Zelensky and co being overthrown…..yes the SM is overvalued..but why today.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-ruled-wartime-mafia-network-countless-ties-zelensky-viktor-orban

Maddog, aurum

Posted by deer79 @ 13:43 on November 13, 2025  

Perhaps this is the beginning of the C wave down right here. Just seems that the speed at which these waves now occur, is getting quicker and quicker….

Vote in the Poll Vote in the Poll

Posted by ipso facto @ 12:48 on November 13, 2025  

deer79 @ 11:58

Posted by ipso facto @ 12:01 on November 13, 2025  

I think the acquisition is a good move. It looks like they expect increased production coming on line so their results may look much improved in the future. I’m gonna eyeball it! 🙂

… always like to have Sprott participating!

Ferrett

Posted by deer79 @ 11:59 on November 13, 2025  

Thank you for sharing that info…..
Lots of intricate financial details that the. companies certainly won’t elaborate about……

Voluntary Surveillance

Posted by ipso facto @ 11:58 on November 13, 2025  

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12489621/How-doorbells-smart-speakers-TVs-washing-machines-spying-Research-reveals-household-appliances-capturing-sharing-private-data-firms-Google-Amazon-Facebook-TikTok.html

USAS

Posted by deer79 @ 11:58 on November 13, 2025  

Surprised Ipso, that they missed their EPS and quarterly revenue estimates, announce this deal, and the stock is only down .04 today… Go figure.

FWIW, Eric Sprott ( the largest shareholder) approves of this deal and says he will participate in the secondary offering to help pay for the deal.

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