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winedoc @ 20:39

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 23:01 on September 27, 2017  

Copy on that, TDLer since ’79. Time goes fast. I think all younger people should strive to take time off, as much as possible and affordable. That Saturday or Sunday never comes back.

Priorities these days are distorted by the Media. “The one who dies with the most “time off” wins” Not more Toys. The more “toys” you own, the more crap you have to get rid of or take care of.

I called a real estate office re a very rough flooded handy man house and asked…”How much is the owner willing to pay someone else, to take responsibility for the property. $10,000 tax bill. Somebody sold their house, was relocating, and got my son to “absorb” for free, his responsibility on  a Twin engine 38 foot Egg Harbor cabin boat.

Buygold – I’m Sure Sen Mitch McConnell

Posted by commish @ 22:21 on September 27, 2017  
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Ky., and the Senate GOP leadership,listens during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, April 23, 2013, following a Republican strategy session. At left is Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn of Texas. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Ky.

 

Will save the day for the teachers.

Mr Copper 18:33

Posted by winedoc @ 20:39 on September 27, 2017  

“live every day of your life”

I also have been a subscriber for about 15 yrs

“Onward Pilgrims”

Winedoc

Kentucky – Please pay your pension fine! Welcome back! :)

Posted by Buygold @ 20:38 on September 27, 2017  

Teachers Demand $3,200 From Each Kentucky Household To Fund Pension Ponzi For 2 Years

No amount of math and logic will ever be sufficient to convince a bunch of retired public employees that they have been sold a lie that will inevitably fail now or fail later.

@Richey re 17:31 Gold Price Will Explode

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 18:33 on September 27, 2017  

The newsletter I get says Gold is in its final long term third big wave up, $3,000 to $5,000/oz, and he predicted $3,000 to $5,000/oz back in the 1960s. Very bullish on silver too.

He also just put a “buy” on MUX.

Richey re 16:48

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 17:51 on September 27, 2017  

I did not read the whole story. But I took out parts below to comment on.

Parts:

While “The Big Short” bubble/bust wiped out the industry, the overseers walked away collectively with billions and no one went to jail other than a few scape- goated underlings. But like the survivors of a 7 year mortgage apocalypse cycle of feast or famine, those who made it are back are more corrupt than ever.

This mortgage origination program, which is disguised as a “business loan program” was sent to me by Citadel Capital, a relatively new and rapidly growing residential and commercial lender. Citadel Capital is part of the Citadel LLC hedge fund empire.

Comment:

To make a long story short. Our whole system has turned into a welfare system. For all we know Citadel LLC could be part of or created by the shadow invisible gov’t that was responsible for giving loans to under paid people who could not afford them.

Most of those people had no savings accounts, and could NEVER even qualify to rent an apartment, due to 2-3 months up front rent and a good credit check for the owner. Obviously real estate special interests, like banks (protecting themselves) and gov’ts (taxes and fees) were involved in promoting real estate sales, to over ride growing numbers people with inadequate incomes.

Wash rinse repeat. They’re just doing the same thing. You never know who owns what. A friend that worked Cargo at JFK told me that Evergreen was owned by the CIA. But my friend that worked for Evergreen Airlines would never admit it. Its only make believe monopoly money, so nothing really matters anymore.

Shhhhhhhh! Now this is top secret–so promise not tell-! [the price of gold is about to explode]-gee! I haven’t heard that befor-lo these past 25 yrs-have you?

Posted by Richard640 @ 17:31 on September 27, 2017  

Gold Price Will Explode When System Breaks – Gordon Long

By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com 

Private investor Gordon Long contends the price of gold will shock the world when it revalues to reflect the massive amount of currency that has been printed globally. Long explains, “That is correct, and it won’t be something that is gradual, it will be very abrupt.  The system will break . . . and the financial markets will freeze up.  When they come out of the other end of that freeze, and it may be a number of weeks because the next crisis will be global and much more complex than 2008.  We could control that with the Federal Reserve . . . and this one you cannot do because you cannot get agreement with all those countries.  Never mind understanding the complexity.  So, when we come out on the other side . . . there will be a massive revaluation in the U.S. dollar. . . .  Gold could jump to $5,000 or $10,000 an ounce or something like that. . . . It will be massive.  They will have to put some stability in the monetary system, and the only way they can do it is having something they cannot print.  This is what has gotten us into this problem.  We have to get back to sound money.  It will have to be gold.  What percentage of backing will determine what the value the gold will be.”

On the value of the U.S. dollar, Long contends, “Personally, I think the revaluation of the U.S. dollar will be well over 70% devaluation. It doesn’t mean the world is coming to an end.  It just means you have to go through this to reset.  Those who prepare and understand why this is happening and watch for the signals, there’s going to be fortunes transferred.  They are being transferred right now, frankly.  One other big caveat on gold prices going way up, expect the government to tax it like you have never seen before.”

Long says the stock market hitting one all-time high after another, despite all the economic headwinds, shows the public is in a “delusional phase.” The latest nuclear war threat from North Korea shows the extreme delusion going on, and Long contends, “This is about as clear of an example as you are going to get.  This is more serious than the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the fact the market has not even blinked during this tells you we no longer know how to price risk.  It’s not being priced correctly. . . . It’s almost pure speculation at this point, and maybe straight out gambling.”

When is it all going to come crashing down? Long predicts, “I think there is a scare coming this fall.  That scare will allow central banks to start more quantitative easing and other programs.  They will be guaranteeing the markets and guaranteeing assets because they can’t have this pension system collapse, and it’s all in the stock market.  I think we are talking about the spring of next year.” (When it all totally implodes.)

Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with investor Gordon Long, founder of MATASII.com.

(To Donate to USAWatchdog.com Click Here)

After the Interview:

Gordon Long also points out, “27 times the stock market has hit all-time new highs, and yet, fundamentals have never been worse. If there is a 5% to 8% decline in the stock market it’s over.  They can’t have more of a decline than that because of the extreme degree of debt leverage.

There is free information, articles and analysis on MATASII.com.  Long has another website called GordonTLong.com as well, and it’s also free.

Bucket shop alert=why the latest deep subprime mortgage products hitting the market is the definitive “bell” that rings when a market bubble is about to pop.

Posted by Richard640 @ 16:48 on September 27, 2017  

The commentary below is a guest post from a reader and Short Seller’s Journal subscriber who is a 25-year subprime lending professional. Below, he shares his wisdom of experience in explaining why the latest deep subprime mortgage products hitting the market is the definitive “bell” that rings when a market bubble is about to pop.

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Before the Lehman crash I was part of the brokering and banking system that built billion dollar pools of commercial cow manure loans we farmed out to Lehman Bros. JPM, CIT, Zion’s Bank, Bank of the West and others did the same.

Lehman was the poster child. They stretched the envelope of mortgage insanity. Their failure was the instant death knell of that terrible scam. Every originator of these pools and brokering conduits failed. Some disappeared in 24 hours. But like the undead, these NINJA warriors are back from the grave just in time to profit from the biggest housing bubble in human history.

While “The Big Short” bubble/bust wiped out the industry, the overseers walked away collectively with billions and no one went to jail other than a few scape- goated underlings. But like the survivors of a 7 year mortgage apocalypse cycle of feast or famine, those who made it are back are more corrupt than ever.

No one learns from these mistakes. Bankers and brokers are like “Chucky” in the “Child’s Play” horror movies. It wasn’t more than a few days after Lehman imploded that the entire fraudulent subprime commercial and residential loan edifice came down. The commercial bank loan system shut down for nearly a year. Banks failed by the hundreds. Thousands more were propped up with TARP and HARP.

What got me going is that the latest product being pimped by Citadel Capital reminds me of a classic bucket shop operation with all the worst elements of gangster loan sharks, knee breakers and “vig” of 5% a week. Perhaps one of the most insidious aspects of the subprime business being originated by Citadel is the manner in which they get around the legislation implemented under Obama via Dodd-Frank that was supposed to protect the public from predatory lending and Wall Street fraud. Citadel specifically has a lending program that is called “Outside Dodd Frank.”

Citadel really caught my eye. There’s a wealth of information on Citadel Servicing Corporation, some from their web page and some from the ‘net itself. While the mainstream media heralds the merits of the Dodd Frank legislation, there are large loopholes in the mortgage broker/banker regulations that circumvent the alleged “safeguards.”

This mortgage origination program, which is disguised as a “business loan program” was sent to me by Citadel Capital, a relatively new and rapidly growing residential and commercial lender. Citadel Capital is part of the Citadel LLC hedge fund empire.

As a commercial loan broker for the last 25 years, I can tell by the rates being charged for these loans that the “professionals” at Citadel hold their nose while they package the junk paper and send them as “mortgage pools” to Wall Street. The Citadel junk is much like the old sub prime NINJA crap that filled portfolios from coast to coast.

Citadel doesn’t want these loans to ripen and turn sour, defaulting while they still sit on Citadel’s balance sheet waiting to be shipped to Wall Street’s financial sausage factory. It’s likely they sit on Citadel’s shelf for no more than a month or so and, like smuggled heroin, peddled to the next middle man in the chain for cutting, diluting and selling to the end user.

Most companies like Citadel borrow on wholesale lines capital provided by yield-starved pension funds. These funds are on the hook for as long as it takes Citadel to churn them like rancid butter, as they aggregate a loan pool big enough to interest Wall Street into securitizing the pooled loans into the infamous CDO’s (collateralized debt obligations). These are the financial nuclear weapons that blew up Wall Street in 2008.

The big fish,TBTF banks bailed out by Obama and Bernanke, take the loan pools and repackage them into risk-return-tiered mortgage-backed trusts. They then piece out the tranches to their clients – yield-starved institutional investors and greedy high net worth sitting ducks. Some of the tranches of these financial sausages are given ratings from Moody’s and S&P which are significantly higher than they merit in return for a small part of the “vig” involved. You are naive if you thought the post-2008 financial “reform” eliminated this important step in the entire process.

The money involved is enormous. The wholesalers – entities like banks and investment funds who provide “warehouse” lines of credit used to fund the loans – get a 3-4% spread as their fee on funds loaned. When funded, these loans are priced to give the aggregator such as Citadel premiums of 5-9% or more, depending on the various ingredients stirred in to “juice” the yield. These premiums are apportioned to the various parties involved in funding the mortgages and bringing borrowers to the table. The mortgage brokers offer up their clients like lambs to the slaughter, concerned with one thing, collecting the points paid by the borrower plus handsome rebates from Citadel where allowed by state or federal statute.

There’s even bigger “vig” for bringing the borrowers to the party. Citadel brokers and outside mortgage brokers can make up to 8-9% on the amount borrowed depending on both the risk-profile of the borrower and the willingness of the borrower to accept various “bells and whistles” which ultimately increase the cost of the loan. But these hidden fees are not paid up-front by the borrower. Instead, they’re built into the high rate charged to the borrower. The Citadel “group” gets paid when the loan is part of a pool that is marked up in value and sold to Wall Street as material for its financial sausage.

Speaking of those “bells and whistles,” which substantially increase the cost of the mortgage to the borrower, and having seen how these loans were crafted in the past, I know that any one of these “innocuous” terms written into the fine print can increase the cost to the borrower by 1 percent or more. To make matters worse, these are the terms that make it nearly impossible for the borrower to make payments for more than a short period of time.

The borrowers stagger into loan offices like Dead Men Zombies with 500 FICOs and nary a pulse. Many are remnants of the last sub prime crash, walking wounded waiting to be fleeced again. They provide some bank statements, often photo-shopped by the borrower or the broker. They offer up hand-me-down, shop worn camp fire stories of woe that get better with each telling. The greed-driven broker feigns a look of sorrow and understanding. If I’ve heard 1 story I’ve heard 100.

Even if they’ve defaulted on the last 3 loans, filed Chapter 11 or 22 and stiffed every creditor in town, somehow they’ll convince the underwriter they’ve had their St Francis of Assisi debt moment and will never be late again. Listen up. There’s a reason they have a 500 FICO. They’re deadbeats with a real estate deal to lend on. They’ll willingly agree to the high-priced terms in order to get back in the game of buying and flipping.

The end investor buys this tranche and yet still might carve it up like a hog, selling some slices here and there; repriced and re-rated by the rating agencies to cover the stink. They might keep the best parts for themselves while dumping the low cuts and offal to a new tier of overseas zombie, yield-starved investors.

The science behind these mortgage conveyor belts was perfected 35 years ago. The bankers pulling the levers will never be prosecuted; just fines; pittance by the DOJ. The brokers will never look back. They’re unlikely to be prosecuted except for the rare ones; those who get caught because they stayed in the game too long or didn’t cover their tracks.

IRD’s note: Citadel is not the only purveyor of these financial time-bombs. There’s several “bucket shop” deep sub-prime mortgage generators springing to life across the country. As an example, there’s a company called SCL Mortgage (“SCL” stands for “Special Circumstances Lending”) based out of Castle Rock, Colorado. Castle Rock is a “poster child” city for the previous and current housing bubble. The Company was founded and is led by a one of the deep subprime “NINJA warriors” of the previous “Big Short” era, as are several of his employees.

http://investmentresearchdynamics.com/peak-housing- bubble-the-big-short-is-back/

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More on selling taxes

Posted by goldielocks @ 16:42 on September 27, 2017  

No mention of income brackets other than the 12 k or married 24K zero. No mention of SS I’m forgoing but read that they treat it like welfare because of you make too much money if still working they’ll take up to 85% back… After attaining age 66, you can earn any amount & still collect full Social Security benefits. To maximize after-tax income if you are a single individual (or head-of household) you would want to keep your earned and unearned income plus one-half of your Social Security benefit under $25,000 total.
No different than early retirement plus Calif taxes SS by itself.

Steve Bannon – Presidential material for 2020

Posted by Moggy @ 15:57 on September 27, 2017  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVnZrUpsjDQ

Tump on with taxes

Posted by goldielocks @ 15:54 on September 27, 2017  

Talking about everything thing but middle class income. I’m waiting to see how bad we’re gonna get screwed.

Kentucky @ 13:34 Spot on…My thoughts exactly

Posted by Auandag @ 15:21 on September 27, 2017  

Indonesia …. Not a good place to invest!

Posted by ipso facto @ 15:15 on September 27, 2017  

Indonesia’s Freeport victory sets tone for foreign miners

Indonesia’s Freeport victory sets tone for foreign miners

New Poll New Poll

Posted by ipso facto @ 15:02 on September 27, 2017  

Vote Vote

Clear sentiment on the Confederate War Memorial poll

Posted by ipso facto @ 14:57 on September 27, 2017  

Should Confederate War Memorials be taken down?

No (93%, 52 Votes)

Yes (4%, 2 Votes)

I have no opinion (4%, 2 Votes)

Total Voters: 56

I don’t know if you all heard a few days ago

Posted by goldielocks @ 14:51 on September 27, 2017  

Janet Yellen was on and said he might have made a mistake with her projections about inflation. It was too low, about 1.4, below their 2% and may slow interest rate hikes next year.

Now the health care

Posted by goldielocks @ 13:52 on September 27, 2017  

Have we heard on reform what their going to do with expansion of tax depended jobs be via taxes and healthcare. Healthcare diverting funds i.e. fines or costing taxes like the 10K extra IRS workers to monitor it, homeland security and more. Same with lowering taxes Demos saying well is it gonna put us in dept. They keep expanding Gov and then taxing us while saying ” they” can’t afford it. No ” we” can’t afford it.

Richard640, Farmboy

Posted by aufever @ 13:40 on September 27, 2017  

Sounded like a good idea, so I just dipped my toe into options waters for the first time. SLV, Jan, a few 18 and a few 19.
I understand moves can be made before then, and I will be watching for further advice, but what is the latest date by which I need to make some decision? P.S. I will be looking for more advice as we get closer to that time, as we ‘know’ they will have value. Good luck to us!

Redneck Okie

Posted by Kentucky @ 13:34 on September 27, 2017  

Love the post and think you are right on target.
If anyone has sunday nfl ticket direct tv will refund your money. That is a start.
I do not go to the movies, watch baseball, basketball, watch tv or news from the normal outlets and will be just fine if I never watch another football game. The NFL players will never be the sharpest knife in the drawer and to get upset about what they do is a waste time. They do not respect anything and are never satisfied so this will go on and on until the game is destroyed.
I certainly do not listen to movie stars about anything. Who watches or cares about the Oscars or Emys? The upcoming generation has completely different values and they will have to deal with the mess. They seem to think they can solve the problems of social injustice, I wish them well. Maybe the police should all do like they do in Chicago and not go into any of the black hoods.
I am in my mid 70s’ so what I think is irrelevant anyway.

Ipso

Posted by goldielocks @ 13:26 on September 27, 2017  

I think Trump knew. He let the people decide. Who it hurt is the business as usual GOP and Mitches pick.

Commish

Posted by Moggy @ 12:55 on September 27, 2017  

Didn’t think anyone remembered Duke anymore…great music, good for dancing with a pussycat, lol.  Here’s one for you:

Richard640 @ 11:14 Can Ya Hear Me Now? Test Was Successful

Posted by Farmboy @ 11:30 on September 27, 2017  

Thanks to Music by Commish, and your heads up advice, I just joined you in that SLV Options trade. Picked up some 17 calls this morning for Jan 2018.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Let’s Roll on the Silver Train. 🙂

test

Posted by Richard640 @ 11:14 on September 27, 2017  

 

Music To Pick My Next Investment By.

Posted by commish @ 9:23 on September 27, 2017  

Surprise Surprise

Posted by ipso facto @ 9:19 on September 27, 2017  

Trump Stumped As Bannon-Backed Roy Moore Wins Alabama Republican Primary By Landslide

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-26/trump-stumped-bannon-backed-roy-moore-wins-alabama-republican-primary-landslide

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