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Posted by ipso facto @ 8:20 on February 19, 2025  

AbraSilver Demonstrates Additional Resource Expansion Potential at Diablillos with New Discoveries at the Oculto East and Sombra Targets

https://ceo.ca/@thenewswire/abrasilver-demonstrates-additional-resource-expansion

Revival Gold Announces Strategic Placement with Dundee Corporation

https://ceo.ca/@GlobeNewswire/revival-gold-announces-strategic-placement-with-dundee

Sailfish Royalty Highlights the Positive Results of Solidus Resources, LLC’s Feasibility Study for the Spring Valley Gold Project

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/sailfish-royalty-highlights-the-positive-results-of

West Point Gold Expands Gold Chain Land Package by 30%

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/west-point-gold-expands-gold-chain-land-package-by

Aztec Summarizes 2024 Exploration Drill Program at Tombstone Project, Arizona – Multiple, New, Shallow, Thick and High-Grade Gold-Silver Intercepts significantly expand the Contention Zone and a First Pass Discovery in the Westside Zone

https://ceo.ca/@thenewswire/aztec-summarizes-2024-exploration-drill-program-at

Red Pine Successfully Expands Gold Mineralization Beyond 2024 Mineral Resource Estimate and Discovers Parallel Shoot at Depth

https://ceo.ca/@GlobeNewswire/red-pine-successfully-expands-gold-mineralization-beyond

Northisle 2025 PEA Indicates 29% After-tax IRR and $2 Billion NPV for Staged Development of the North Island Project

https://ceo.ca/@businesswire/northisle-2025-pea-indicates-29-after-tax-irr-and

Vista Gold 2025 Initiatives Pave the Way for Value Realization at Mt Todd

https://ceo.ca/@businesswire/vista-gold-2025-initiatives-pave-the-way-for-value

Hayasa Metals Announces Initial Drill Results and Final IP Sections at Urasar Copper-Gold Project

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/hayasa-metals-announces-initial-drill-results-and-final

NEVADA KING INTERCEPTS 2.72 G/T AU OVER 64M INCLUDING 4.29 G/T AU OVER 29M, EXTENDS PIT MINERALIZATION TOWARDS THE NORTH EXTENSION TARGET

https://ceo.ca/@newswire/nevada-king-intercepts-272-gt-au-over-64m-including

GSP Summarizes 2024 Drilling and Discovery of New High-Grade Gold Zone at Alwin Mine Property

https://ceo.ca/@thenewswire/gsp-summarizes-2024-drilling-and-discovery-of-new-high-grade

AngloGold Ashanti delivers nine-fold increase in 2024 free cash flow* to $942m versus prior year; Adjusted EBITDA* +93% year-on-year and H2 dividend growth of 263% to 69 US cents per share; total cash costs* +4% for FY 2024, below group inflation

https://ceo.ca/@businesswire/anglogold-ashanti-delivers-nine-fold-increase-in-2024

Snowline Gold Drills Mineralization 300 M Beyond Current Resource in Expansion Drilling at The Valley Deposit, Rogue Project, And Demonstrates District Potential with Intersection Of 20.9 Grams Per Tonne Gold Over 2.1 M At Its Jupiter Target, Einarson Project, Yukon

https://ceo.ca/@accesswire/snowline-gold-drills-mineralization-300-m-beyond-current

Banyan Intersects 15.9 Metres of 9.32 Grams per Tonne Gold, Airstrip Deposit, AurMac Project, Yukon, Canada

https://ceo.ca/@accesswire/banyan-intersects-159-metres-of-932-grams-per-tonne

Arizona Metals Provides Corporate Update

https://ceo.ca/@newswire/arizona-metals-provides-corporate-update

Electrum Discovery Announces Audio-Magnetotelluric Geophysical Survey Results over the Central Bambino Anomaly at the Timok East Project and Provides Drilling Update

https://ceo.ca/@thenewswire/electrum-discovery-announces-audio-magnetotelluric

Ivanhoe Mines Unveils Independent Phase 2 and Phase 3 Expansion Studies for the Super-Giant Platreef Mine – a World-Class, Lowest-Cost Precious Metals and Critical Minerals Producer

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/ivanhoe-mines-unveils-independent-phase-2-and-phase

PPX Resumes Exploration Activities at Callanquitas

https://ceo.ca/@accesswire/ppx-resumes-exploration-activities-at-callanquitas

Signature Resources Reports Final Results for the 2024 Drilling Program Highlighted by a new Drill Intercept of 51 Metres with an Average Grade of 1.81 g/t Gold from LM24-09 in the South Zone

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/signature-resources-reports-final-results-for-the-2024

LUNDIN GOLD ACHIEVES A NEW HIGH OF CONTAINED GOLD OUNCES IN MINERAL RESERVES AND MINERAL RESOURCES AT FRUTA DEL NORTE

https://ceo.ca/@newswire/lundin-gold-achieves-a-new-high-of-contained-gold-ounces

South Pacific Metals Announces Commencement of 2025 Gold-Copper Exploration Programs Following Successful Financing

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/south-pacific-metals-announces-commencement-of-2025

Sandstorm Gold Royalties Announces 2024 Annual Results

https://ceo.ca/@newswire/sandstorm-gold-royalties-announces-2024-annual-results

First Pass Gold Recoveries Reach 88% at SW Deposit, Clarence Stream Gold Deposit

https://ceo.ca/@accesswire/first-pass-gold-recoveries-reach-88-at-sw-deposit

Wheaton Precious Metals Exceeds 2024 Production Guidance and Provides 2025 and Long-Term Outlook, Projecting 40% Growth in the Next Five Years

https://ceo.ca/@newswire/wheaton-precious-metals-exceeds-2024-production-guidance

Alamos Gold Reports Mineral Reserves and Resources for the Year-Ended 2024

https://ceo.ca/@GlobeNewswire/alamos-gold-reports-mineral-reserves-and-resources-416dc

West Red Lake Announces $12.3 Million Bought Deal Public Offering of Charity Flow-Through Units

https://ceo.ca/@GlobeNewswire/west-red-lake-announces-123-million-bought-deal-public

Skeena Resources Limited Announces Approximately C$70.5 Million Bought Deal Financing

https://ceo.ca/@GlobeNewswire/skeena-resources-limited-announces-approximately-c705

Coeur Reports Year-End 2024 Mineral Reserves and Resources and Provides Palmarejo Exploration Update

https://ceo.ca/@businesswire/coeur-reports-year-end-2024-mineral-reserves-and-resources

SSR Mining Reports Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2024 Results

https://ceo.ca/@businesswire/ssr-mining-reports-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-2024

Solidus Resources, LLC Announces Positive Feasibility Study Results for Its Spring Valley Gold Project in Nevada

https://ceo.ca/@GlobeNewswire/solidus-resources-llc-announces-positive-feasibility

West Red Lake Gold Announces Filing of NI 43-101 Pre-Feasibility Study Technical Report for Madsen Mine

https://ceo.ca/@GlobeNewswire/west-red-lake-gold-announces-filing-of-ni-43-101-pre-feasibility

Harvest Gold Provides Updates on Drill Permitting, 23 New Claims Staked on its Mosseau Gold Project and Claims Management in Quebec

https://ceo.ca/@thenewswire/harvest-gold-provides-updates-on-drill-permitting

ValOre Proposes Acquisition of South Atlantic Gold to Create a 99,924 Hectare Precious Metals District in Ceara State, Brazil

https://ceo.ca/@GlobeNewswire/valore-proposes-acquisition-of-south-atlantic-gold

West Red Lake Gold Poised for Production as Gold hits CAD $4,100 per Ounce

https://ceo.ca/@thenewswire/west-red-lake-gold-poised-for-production-as-gold-hits

Golden Cariboo Outlines 2025 Exploration Program for the Quesnelle Gold Quartz Mine Property

https://ceo.ca/@thenewswire/golden-cariboo-outlines-2025-exploration-program-for

Stellar Africagold Annouces Non-Brokered Private Placement

https://ceo.ca/@thenewswire/stellar-africagold-annouces-non-brokered-private-placement

Durango Identifies Two More Target Areas at Babine West Copper Gold Project from Artificial Intelligence-Powered Exploration Study and Returns as High as 5.72 gpt Gold, 1.68% Copper, 691 gpt Silver, 33.2% Lead, 15.7% Zinc and 1100 gpt Cadmium from Sampling over Nearby Areas of the Property

https://ceo.ca/@thenewswire/durango-identifies-two-more-target-areas-at-babine

Canadian Gold Corp. Tartan Mine: Western Expansion Drilling Intersects More High-Grade of 11.6 gpt Gold Over 5.1 Metres & 7.1 gpt Over 6.0 Metres

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/canadian-gold-corp-tartan-mine-western-expansion

Corcel Exploration Provides Update on the Yuma King Project in Arizona

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/corcel-exploration-provides-update-on-the-yuma-king

Silver Bullet Mines Corp. Closes Oversubscribed Financing and Announces Advances at Washington Mine in Idaho

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/silver-bullet-mines-corp-closes-oversubscribed-financing

Miata Metals Samples up to 194.2 g/t Gold at the Sela Creek Project in Suriname

https://ceo.ca/@GlobeNewswire/miata-metals-samples-up-to-1942-gt-gold-at-the-sela

Sterling Metals Announces Consolidation and Corporate Update

https://ceo.ca/@accesswire/sterling-metals-announces-consolidation-and-corporate

American Creek Resources Announces Receipt of Termination Notice Which It Deems Invalid

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/american-creek-resources-announces-receipt-of-termination

Roberto Resources Inc. to Acquire 100% of the Claudia Gold and Silver Project

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/roberto-resources-inc-to-acquire-100-of-the-claudia

Premium Resources Announces New Strategic Investor Group, Non-Brokered Equity Financing of Up to C$36MM, Equity Settlement of C$20.8MM of Debt, and Leadership Change

https://ceo.ca/@newsfile/premium-resources-announces-new-strategic-investor

Ipso facto …those B 52’s that landed in UK…just reminded the Hamas crew what might happen.

Posted by Maddog @ 7:51 on February 19, 2025  

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-flies-bomber-group-over-middle-east-warning-enemies

SSRM

Posted by Buygold @ 5:47 on February 19, 2025  

Not getting pounded yet in the premarket, but has only traded 100 shares, I’d think those numbers would be worthy of a 10+% smash, but hopefully not for anyone holding it.

I know it’s early, but it is so refreshing to see strength most days in the metals. What a shift from a year ago.

Knocking on wood this am.

It took all night but the bull continues

Posted by Buygold @ 5:37 on February 19, 2025  

We have silver sitting at the uber dangerous $33 level that they’ve been fighting for months. Gold bumping $2950

Interesting that the metals rallied yesterday with the dollar and rates higher. Looks like more of the same today early on.

Oil up near 1%. Bitcoin flat. SM flat. Bitcoin hasn’t moved much lately, seems to be stuck in the $95 – 100K range.

Looking for better action in the shares today, as long as the metals don’t tank. But we’ll see how that goes and what the Crimex has to say about $33 silver.

Maddog – agree with you on the shares. They’ll garner some serious interest eventually IMHO

Buy signal Silver

Posted by Maddog @ 5:35 on February 19, 2025  

Note how the 50 Av has come down to sniff the 200 day Av….if we move away, then that will also be a strong buy signal

AG

Buygold

Posted by Maddog @ 5:32 on February 19, 2025  

Morning

Re Whistle blower…soon they won’t be able to handle all the whistle blowers….

would I be correct in saying that names are not being mentioned yet, because Patel has yet to be confirmed in the FBI, who would have to do the arresting….

Morning ferret

Posted by Buygold @ 5:28 on February 19, 2025  

Yes, no doubt it would be deflationary. Trump & Co. will have to grow the economy, bringing manufacturing jobs back here, reduce regulations so that  drillers and farmers are cut loose to produce as much as they want. He’ll have to cut/eliminate taxes in a big way, and rates will have to come back to 0% I’m sure his plan is to grow us out of that.

All the cutting won’t happen at once, but if they can cut a couple trillion from the budget, and it appears they can, he will have room for a stimulus program if needed.

The amount of fraud in social security here is just insane. They have a whistleblower who came out and said they were giving illegal immigrants social security disability payments for life. Those rotten pieces of garbage deny disability to American citizens all the time and make it impossible for people that need it to get it. I know several people who’ve applied and been denied. They actually needed it. Now we find out they just give it to illegals whether they are unable to work or not? Hanging is not good enough for those people running SSA.

 

ferret

Posted by Maddog @ 5:28 on February 19, 2025  

Agree 100 % about Trump and Musk…regarding deflation risk…the debt problem remains, Bessant has said they will monetise assets….Shectman noted Gold has been on a tear since November, ie as soon as Trump was the winner…..it is now seriously out performing all other PM’s , which as Shectman says points to insider front running.

He also mentioned that total liabilities could be as much as $ 200 Trillion……revaluing Gold at a price that compares to just the official debt, is many multiples up.

Interestingly the Adens have been saying for a long time that they see Gold peaking in 2026/7….after a huge run…..they have been saying that for a few years.

Buygold/SNG

Posted by Maddog @ 5:07 on February 19, 2025  

Re Vol

From what I see Vol still makes sense…where there is a huge diff, is the amount of trading that is Algo’ driven, like well over 70 %…I was only half joking when I said Algo’s can’t read, most can’t and even then how do they seriously weight ‘news’…which explains why so far we see no sign of panic in the PM share shorts.

All they see is a rally to sell into and every time since 2012 that has worked…..

Then we may have spread funds, that are long metal short shares, who are making out like bandits…..well not so much since 2016, but even there by staying long metal short shares prices are at all time lows , so no need to worry, just keep adding on all rallies.

One small silver stock I have was down near 10 % yesterday, on no news….

What they shorts do above 172 in the XAU and 375 Hui…could be interesting….

The other huge problem the shorts have, is have they delivered all the stock they are short ….I listened to Musk on shorters, he hates them, because of the amount of attacks on Tesla, where lie after lie has been spread and the SEC did nothing, despite him complaining to them……sorting the SEC out is personal, which is why the SEC enquiry is already criminal.

Gold Train

Posted by Maya @ 1:53 on February 19, 2025  

Dirty dirt sundown
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/875581/

 

Borrowed from the foolsgold site. This means Biden raised about 19.9 million dead people to vote for him. Pretty good trick!

Posted by silverngold @ 23:42 on February 18, 2025  

Is this how Joe Biden **won** the 2020 election?

-> Posted by xxxxxxx @ xxxx pm on February 18, 2025Close to 20 Million people over the age of 100 are ‘collecting Social Security’ when current records show there’s only 100,000 people over the age of 100.

Ferrett

Posted by goldielocks @ 22:45 on February 18, 2025  

I don’t know all Trump’s doing but he’s always doing something. He has business plans lined up. It’s nice to know that I don’t have to think about it or in the demos case worry about it. That there’s someone there that knows what their doing and it’s not a nefarious agenda dreamed up by some bored psycho elitist who has no life.

He has countries that are willing to invest billions in this country in manufacturing and the pay off is no tarriffs and lower tarriffs for purchases. He plans on bringing some of our manufacturing back and pharmaceutical companies back. We can’t expect it all to happen over night but there is a plan for the future.

Severe deflation, the outcome of a successful DOGE.

Posted by ferrett @ 20:21 on February 18, 2025  

Getting a bit concerned about the impact of Musk and Co. being so successful. Suppose they do manage to slice $2tn p.a. off government spending? It doesn’t really matter if it is fraudulent SS payments, corrupt treasury payments, overpaying of contracts for military and other procurements or the abolition of whole departments; it’s taking $2tn out of the economy.

I’m not suggesting they don’t do it – but there doesn’t seem to be a plan to soften the impact.

Cap’n 12:12, but what’s the alternative?

Posted by ferrett @ 20:14 on February 18, 2025  

If Kamala had won the deep state would have strengthened its control of society and the descent into communism would be guaranteed. The blob would have found more ways and means to oppose the opposition, and with J6 then entrenched as a precedent jailings of any opponents would become normal and any publicity suppressed. Nobody would know what was happening.

Where is the evidence for Trusk wanting to do what Chris Hedges suggests? All I see so far is two guys doing their best for America and its people and having an absolutely disgraceful amount of fun at the same time! Musk in particular. I can’t see any hint of him wanting to control people, or having a lust for power or riches. All Musk’s actions to date are the opposite. Fighting to keep OpenAI free, Grok, making Starlink free in disaster areas, removing censorship from X, getting rid of government departments, exposing barn door sized deficiencies in SS and Treasury procedures; HOW were these never addressed before? The incompetency and corruption is unbelievable.

I just can’t see how all this stuff is remotely comparable to the rise of Hitler or Stalin. Mump did not seize power, as Hedges suggests, they were elected in fair and free elections. The only thing that Trusk are doing to combat the opposition is to cut off their illegal funding. The opposition can still freely post on X and Truth Social, as well as their own echo chamber Bluesky. Free speech is much freer than it was under the deep state (and Nazi Germany and the USSR, ever). Hedges statement that “Compromise, limited power, checks and balances and accountability are slated to be abolished” is simply bullshit. The opposite is happening – not slated to happen, but done and dusted. Every Treasury payment now has to have its accountability code. Checks and balances will soon be in place to make sure that SS numbers are updated with date of death. He also whinges that “This order removed employment protections from career government bureaucrats.” What’s the issue? Why should they have employment protection when their incompetence and corruption has become crystal clear?

ALL Mumps’ actions to date indicate the opposite to what Hedges says. And Trump’s insistence that the war in Ukraine will end could only be disparaged by psychopaths. Of course the Europeans and that revolting little grot have been left out of the negotiations – they’ve insisted from the start that they will never negotiate with Putin; why would you invite them to the table?

Captain Hook @ 18:26

Posted by ipso facto @ 19:53 on February 18, 2025  

Yeah a lot of the silver miners are barely making it. If recent trends continue they will be in better shape soon! The riggers should have allowed the silver miners a better margin and they’d have more supply.

I’m looking forward to the coming fracas. I hear the LBMA deliveries now take 8 weeks. Sound rather defaultish to me!

Cheers

ipso facto @ 18:03

Posted by Captain Hook @ 18:26 on February 18, 2025  

Silver is not allowed to go too far away from the cost of production (currently calculated at ~$26 – probably higher) … just enough to keep producers in business (and making their debt payments), but not too expensive for the military / industrial complex.

Guess SSR needs silver a lot higher prices … no? A lot of companies do with all-in costs exploding higher. Prices are actually stupid low.

Expect a move towards $4o very soon. – possibly higher well into the $40’s.

Don’t know how long it will stay there because rising commodities should crash stocks into the summer/fall – draining liquidity – not to mention the conniption bullion banks / shorts will be having (and dealing with).

Probably come back down and test the breakout at $33 – 35 into summer / fall.

Cheers

Looks like Biden is not getting those …

Posted by Captain Hook @ 18:09 on February 18, 2025  

… presidential subsidized meds anymore.

Joe Biden Looks Totally Lost During Outing at Local Bakery (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Funny stuff

No Bueno … you’d think with such high metals prices?

Posted by ipso facto @ 18:03 on February 18, 2025  

SSR Mining: Q4 Earnings Snapshot

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ssr-mining-q4-earnings-snapshot-221213191.html

Maddog

Posted by goldielocks @ 17:47 on February 18, 2025  

Right the people who instigated this didn’t care about the people. They just wanted their assets.

I copied this from somewhere on this site. Biden’s in it. Fractional land deals lol after what they did to them it is kinda funny. Resources already sold.

Ukraine crisis
10 Feb, 08:43

Ukrainian legislator explains Kiev regime’s ‘sell-steal-resell’ swindling scheme

According to the statement, “the official reason will be that a deal was made with the United States, but the underlying motive is the redistribution of assets, cloaked as ‘strategic necessity'”

MOSCOW, February 10. /TASS/. Kiev is poised to engage in the country’s customary redistribution of mineral deposit assets under the guise of “strategic necessity,” aiming to grab and resell what has already been sold, opposition-minded Verkhovna Rada member Alexander Dubinsky has said.

“Now, we will witness the typical Ukrainian scheme in action – the act of taking back what has already been sold. Naturally, this will be justified by decisions from the National Security and Defense Council (SNBO). The official reason will be that a deal was made with the United States, but the underlying motive is the redistribution of assets, cloaked as ‘strategic necessity.’ The process is simple: first sell, then take back, and then sell again,” he wrote on his Telegram channel.

Dubinsky noted that President Vladimir Zelensky, on behalf of Daniil Getmantsev, the head of the Verkhovna Rada’s committee on finance, tax, and customs policy, has addressed US President Donald Trump with this offer: “You want access to subsoil resources? Go get them from Hunter Biden,” who served on the board of directors of Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest gas producer, from 2014 to 2019.

The Ukrainian legislator is curious how patient the United States will be in this situation.

“I can only imagine that at this moment, some White House staffer responsible for Ukrainian affairs spilled coffee on hearing this and exclaimed: ‘What the hell is going on?'” he added.

On February 10, Getmantsev announced that he was working on a proposal addressed to the National Security and Defense Council to audit all mineral deposits and reclaim them for the public. He pointed out that over the past 30 years, all permits for commercially valuable deposits had been distributed to “respected” individuals.

Earlier, The New York Post reported that President Donald Trump intended to negotiate a $500-million deal with Ukraine to secure access to rare earth metals and gas in exchange for security guarantees as part of any potential peace settlement.

SNG

Posted by Buygold @ 17:36 on February 18, 2025  

Agree ?

And they can play that game for a long time until the buying pressure is significantly higher. We just haven’t hit that point yet and so many people have been flushed out forever over the years.

When the banks and hedge funds finally decide to play, we’ll see how well they can control them or whether they flip to buy mode.
Almost like they use the shares to quell any excitement in the metals.

Anyhoo, I think we get a make up day tomorrow, maybe even with the metals flat or down a little.

Eventually, the shares will have their day, but probably not until we see higher silver prices. JMHO.

 

Buygold @ 14:08…About volume. I think volume is no longer and indication of interest from investors.

Posted by silverngold @ 17:03 on February 18, 2025  

Several things have happened to disqualify volume as having meaning, but here are a couple of them.

If two supercomputers want to control the price of something, all they have to do is sell to each other, or one buy the shares or commodity , and the other short the same shares or commodity, thus negating  the other super computer’s buy but creating two trades every time that transaction is made. They can do this continuously, making huge volume while the shares or commodity go nowhere.

There was risk in doing this, called naked shorting if they did not possess the shares they were shorting, but IMO that was solved by the recent events happening with the on-line brokers offering “no commission trades”. My speculation is that the shares or commodity in the possession of the on-line brokers have been loaned or leased or rented to the owners of the supercomputers so they can claim to own them so they can make these buy and short trades legally.

Also, in margin accounts, if you are not using your margin, your on-line broker can lease that available margin to the owners of the super computers (say BlackRock and Vanguard and StateStreet) to cover the buy/short trades being made.

Difficult to explain but IMO that is what has evolved these last two decades and why volume is no longer and indicator of interest, and why the markets no longer make sense. All FWIW from Silverngold, but DYODD!

Hui /GDX about to give major buy signal as 50 d av will recross above 200 d av , to give signal

Posted by Maddog @ 16:12 on February 18, 2025  

Often takes some time…but if it holds the buy signal will be good.

Av's

goldielocks

Posted by Maddog @ 15:30 on February 18, 2025  

When the people in Ukraine find out what the real story is…..they will rightly go ape ……they have been used as cannon fodder, to weaken Russia and so the Globalists can enrich them selves…..sold as a moral crusade……it is one of the most evil acts ever.

I would put them all stark bollock naked, in the main square of Kyiv and let the Ukrainians do as they see fit.

Maddog 14;53

Posted by goldielocks @ 15:20 on February 18, 2025  

Did you see this. Hamas offering a olive branch for peace. Agreed to leave the Gaza strip hand it to Palestinians.

https://tass.com/world/1914171

Then s new one popped up. Trump released the ban on bombs to Isreal. I hope they don’t mess up any chance for peace.

Maddog

Posted by goldielocks @ 14:59 on February 18, 2025  

I’m not used to posting this much but I talked to a person from there when I heard Biden was paying the people pensions, schools and other stuff but held back on believing all those people are going to die for nothing. They believed they could win. Long story short too late I know but he said if Zelenski crosses them or money is missing meant for the war they’ll kill him. He just might be better off it they vote him out.

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